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SPECULATION How Do You Think Rogue One Will Impact or Enhance the Star Wars Saga?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by JediMasterRobert, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. JediMasterRobert

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    Rogue One is the first of a new series of Star Wars Anthology films.

    Set before Episode IV: A New Hope, this film will provide us with new information through
    • new characters
    • new events
    • new locations
    • and more
    So the question I would like to pose to my fellow forum members is:

    How do you think Rogue One will impact or enhance the Original Trilogy and overall Star Wars saga?

    I'll start this conversation off with this general consideration:

    As the events in this film happen just before A New Hope, I believe the most immediate impact will be on that film, of course, but I also sense Rogue One has the potential to carry with it information or implications which might improve or alter our understanding or perceptions of things beyond Episode IV.

    One more thing I think which could be helpful to keep in mind: this movie, now inserted at a certain point within the overall Star Wars timeline, places it after Revenge of the Sith:
    • Episode I: The Phantom Menace
    • Episode II: Attack of the Clones
    • Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
    • Rogue One
    • Episode IV: A New Hope
    • Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
    • Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
    • Episode VII: The Force Awakens

    (death star) (x-wing)

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    Yes JMR It will.When ANH opening show up on screen(The yellow letters that say the tittle and what the movie is about)it mention that there was a civil war.That rebels are trying to steal the plans of the Death Star.We only know about this by reading it not watching it.I think we are going to see the true estate of SW.How everything start and IMO it will be something that ALL fans will love to see how did everything start.I have a feeling this is going to be GOOD.We are going to know NOW what is REALLY Star Wars is all about.This is a GREAT question JMR.For me it WILL impact the saga in a GOOD way.
     
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    Star_Wars_A_New_Hope_Opening_Crawl.jpg

    And (I said in other thread) the plans were stolen during the battle that was the FIRST victory against the Empire.
    In the other hand there are some things in ANH that could be part of R1:
    1. The rebel spies were tracked by Vader direct to Leia. ("I've trace the Rebel spies to her...") This could mean that probably those spies died, I don't see Vader letting them alive after getting the information.
    2. C3PO says "there'll be no escape for the Princess this time..." ..Maybe we get a little cameo of Leia escaping from Vader...with the Death Star Plans...
    3. A little forward in the movie Vader says "No one gonna stop us this time"...I think he is talking about the first Rebellion victory that allowed the theft of the Death Star plans...
    4. It has been right there all of the time, but...I forgotten that the imperial weapons can be set to shoot non lethal rays...Will be interesting if they use it on a scene when some spies get captured (like they did on Leia)...

    I'll be watching ANH again so...stay tuned...;)
     
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    I think this is a perfect analysis. Rogue One will give us new information and new context for the whole saga, especially the original trilogy. Not only that, it will reshape how we see the Star Wars universe as a whole. This will be the first canon Star Wars film that is not a Saga film and we already know it will have a very different feel than the saga films. George Lucas' concept for Star Wars was to create an epic space opera that showcased the kinds of things he loved about cinema. As a franchise, Star Wars has has always been about taking interesting elements of filmmaking and folding them into the GFFA. For as much hate as the prequel films have received, especially the use of CGI, the way those films were made changed everything in filmmaking, just as the original trilogy. I think Rogue One is positioned to do that again. By telling a story in the Star Wars universe in a new way that hasn't been seen within the universe so far, Rogue One can open the door for further exploration within the universe.
     
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    With black Stormtroopers called death troopers and Chrometroopers and so on.
    Sorry for quoting your post out of context, I hope you're right, but I suspect we get something very departing from the OT.
    Last rumors about the many variants of the Stromtroopers didn't sound good to me.
     
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    It's a big galaxy. It's a good thing to have more movies about different people, different witnesses.
     
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    I haven't heard anything about that yet, but I do remember being impressed back during the Original Trilogy (Episodes IV - VI) in how many Stormtrooper variants there eventually were:
    • classic Stormtroopers
    • Desert Stormtroopers
    • TIE fighter pilots
    • AT-AT drivers
    • Snowtroopers
    • Scout troopers
    and then the Clone Troopers were introduced in the Prequel Trilogy.

    In the Sequel Trilogy (Episodes VII - ) we now have:
    • First Order Stormtroopers
    • First Order Snowtroopers
    • First Order Flametroopers
    • Captain Phasma ("chrometrooper")
    • others TBA?

    Ralph McQuarrie had a variety of designs that served as the basis or inspiration for a lot of these designs.

    Given the likely ground-battle-oriented nature of Rogue One, it might be likely the Empire had different Stormtrooper outfits, armors, and divisions developed for a variety of combat situations.

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    I will watch it too my friend.I will let you know if i notice something NEW to think about.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 4, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 4, 2016 ---
    JMR...I have a feeling this will be the thread of the week.This is a GREAT thread my friend.
     
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    I completely agree, Light Savior_47.

    I think this is going to add at least another layer of meaning excitement on top of what we already have.


    Thanks for your informative post, ParzivalKatarn!

    I appreciate how you thought that through and worked that all out like that!

    Thank you, thetophus, for your insightful comments!

    I've always admired how the Prequels, for all their imperfections, added much history and meaning to characters and events in the chronologically later Original Trilogy.

    Thank you, Light Savior_47 :)

    I appreciate your enthusiasm!

    I think it's fun and interesting to regard each movie in and of itself and then considering each one's place and relationships within the larger context of the overall saga.


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    It will enhance it, in my opinion... unless they do some drastic retcon or fan service like involving Boba Fett in there. It's being made by someone who grew up loving the OT and who most likely credits their career choice to it. So, it will be unlike any other prequel type material in that there's a reverence to the material, and an aversion to upsetting fans.
     
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    I agree it was a nice mix back then and I like McQuarrie's paintings/work too.

    If they show us soldiers like Deathtroopers and Chrometroopers in a pre ANH timeline is risky, because they don't show up in the OT.
    There is a thin line between enhancing or mess up the complete franchise.
    Maybe Disney will release a OT Special Edition 3.0 with new CGI Troopers in 2020. :rolleyes:

    Edit: I know that the fans want something new and I guess Disney want the same.
    But Disney can't move too far away from the source material.
    With the OT timeline in mind/as burden they are limiting themself.
    Maybe they should have done something different, like making a KOTOR movie instead.
     
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    You are absolutely correct, Cmdr. Ed Straker. Well said!

    I think they do have to be careful so as not to introduce anything too out of place or outright anachronous.

    The temptation almost certainly is there to push the envelope, and while they certainly have some chronological room to play within, they do have to take great care in the existence and placement of all major elements in this new episode.

    This is, for all intents and purposes, Episode 3.5, so everything has to fit well wedged between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope.

    An Old Republic era prequel triology is exactly where I believe Disney should go next, because there is great potential, especially if they go further back (pre-Jedi/Sith). They can really delve into some powerfully mystical and mythological material there.

    I'd also welcome a Yoda origin film, even if it was simply a stand-alone or two-part "Anthology" film.

    Lots of things they can do with the "Anthology" series, as it gives them freedom to jump around the Star Wars timeline, hopefully only to enhance things as they do so without causing continuity issues or causing certain landmark events in Star Wars to have lesser or completely different (in a bad way) meanings.

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    Knowing their avoidance of anything PRE-OT, t should only affect The ST .
     
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    Rogue One is a risk for Disney. However, it seems that having a story that mirrors actual ground wars can enhance and grow the STAR WARS universe on film.
     
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    Great! Looking forward to hear about your findings...
     
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    They cannot avoid the connections which are already established, only play within them, unless they rewrite this recent Star Wars history to suit their story, which I think they're at least wise enough not to consider.

    As the Death Star (#1) does have its in-film / canon / on-screen origins (and very early construction) in the Prequel Trilogy (in addition to its obvious prevalence in Episode IV), there should be some Geonosis / Geonosian connection which Disney cannot deny, especially as DS1 was said to have its construction commenced above Geonosis prior to its being moved.

    The Death Star article in Wookieepedia also states:
    which should be portrayed or mentioned.

    See also:

    The Sterilization of Geonosis
    (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sterilization_of_Geonosis)

    I think this event, whether as a portrayal or reference, could further demonstrate just how far / low the Empire (and namely Palpatine) were willing to go simply to preserve the secrets of their pet project.

    It certainly is!

    I hope they heed Qui-Gon Jinn's advice to Watto: "Whenever you gamble, my friend, eventually you'll lose."

    Hopefully it's not "only money" which "works" on them. ;)

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    I agree with all of Tor sentiments Robert...it sucks that so many people want The PT to be written out of existence
     
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    who are these so many people you refer to?
     
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    As Old Biff from the Future noted above, this cinematic venture is a risk.

    One of the most major challenges, as I see it, in these Anthology films is that the storytellers have to be infinitely mindful of the chain of cause(s) and effect(s) episode to episode and throughout the larger saga.

    Speaking even more broadly, many, if not most of the actions we will eventually witness in this film actually enable the rest of the Original Trilogy and subsequent episodes to unfold as they will later in Star Wars history.

    This is not at all an easy proposition or a process that lends itself to easy revision or dropping in details and characters.

    Care must be taken, as even a simple line of dialogue can change the meaning of a later or previous topic or event.

    I'm glad there is a Story Group in place to try to preserve continuities as much as possible, and they certainly have their hands full given the most immediately potentially heavily impacted film by Rogue One is the next film (chronologically): Episode IV: A New Hope.

    Events in Rogue One immediate precede A New Hope.

    Perhaps the most likely known character standing a very good chance of being enhanced or at least expanded upon is no one other than

    Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith

    We've explored, through other threads in this forum, possibilities of Vader appearing in this film. It sounds like its going to happen.

    Many fans are eager to see top-of-his-prime Vader going full on Sith, unleashing unholy Dark Side wrath on the Rebels.

    Whether this occurs or not, any additional dialogue or action which does exist for Vader in Rogue One could offer even more insight into his character, even as he is perhaps among the most scrutinized and fully-developed characters of the entire saga, and appropriately so, as his character arc spans Episode I through Episode VI.

    Perhaps we will learn something new about Anakin/Vader?

    Zooming out a bit: the very Empire itself is, perhaps, something else we might get to learn a bit more about in this film, since that is the collective enemy the Rebels are primarily up against as they race to locate the very plans that might extend their existence and therefore preserve the prospect of hope for the end of tyranny in the galaxy (well, at least up to the end of Episode VI).

    I would love to hear more of your thoughts and theories on these matters and what specifically you think Rogue One might affect.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    I like this! I think it would be cool if after the Geonosians deliver the Death Star, the Imperials turn it around and fire it on the planet. That could show how vicious they are and be a lead-in to what will become of Alderaan.
     
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