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SPECULATION How Do You Think Rogue One Will Impact or Enhance the Star Wars Saga?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by JediMasterRobert, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Old Biff from the Future

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    I know it would be a very cool and serious connection to the PT.
     
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    Thanks for both of your replies!

    As I fully expect of them, Disney's official stance to the Prequels should be nothing less than to fully recognize them and reference them in every way that is necessary and appropriate.

    While I, for one love the Prequels, I simultaneously understand and respect others maintain their own opinions on the matter.

    Objectively speaking, the Prequels will never be non-canon, as they form the chronological first half of the known cinematic and canon Star Wars saga.

    Since Rogue One is presumably at least a little bit more than just a Star Wars rendition of a "heist film," I believe the story of the Death Star is likely to be extended/enhanced by this film as there is the potential fro more insight into its construction, existence, etc.

    With regards to Geonosis and its inhabitants, I had some ideas on that matter tying into the canon story of the Sterilization of Geonosis (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sterilization_of_Geonosis):

    perhaps Geonosis is one of the first unofficial test sites, and, even though the Death Star might be incomplete or not up to full power, perhaps the Emperor orders the firing, even as he's cautioned by someone it would likely "sterilize the planet, not destroy it." You could imagine, evil as Palpatine was, him saying, "Just as well. Fire when ready, commander."

    And that would go towards honoring that part of Geonosis history, which should be preserved.

    I think it could be good to acknowledge that past while also the storytellers can use the plot device / backdrop of the Death Star to expand our understandings of known characters, such as Darth Vader.

    For example, in another thread, I posted an idea concerning the first possible "official" DS practice site: Tatooine.
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....tar-fire-in-rouge-one.8798/page-3#post-246847

    The purpose of that example was to give an unexpected role to Vader, having him race against the clock to stop the DS from eradicating arguably the one thing he had left in the universe he might have wanted to protect: his mother's grave on Tatooine.

    Imagine Vader summoning unprecedented Dark Side Force to set into motion events to cause the station to malfunction.

    It connects back to a point in the narrative, where Anakin Skywalker apologizes to his mother (at her grave) for not being strong enough:

    "I wasn’t strong enough to save you, mom. But, I promise, I won’t fail again."

    Now he could be strong enough.

    To extend this possibility a bit further: imagine possibly, at the same time as Vader is trying to save Tatooin, Obi-Wan Kenobi (who at this time is watching over young Luke Skywalker) comes out of his cave, sensing the supreme disturbance on the surface of the planet, realizes what was about to happen, and also reaches out desperately through the Force to effect some potential change as well.

    Well, there's yet another aspect to Death Star construction history I wonder if it will also be portrayed in part in the film:

    the use of Wookies as slaves as part of the Death Star construction team:


    JediMasterRobert
     
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  3. Old Biff from the Future

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    some interesting aspects to discus here........

    Never thought of the Vader aspect you speak of
     
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    Yes, I think there's a lot to be explored, especially, I think, in terms of:
    • Palpatine's view of and need for the Death Star
    • Vader's views of the Death Star
    • the post-Revenge of the Sith dynamics between Palpatine and Vader
    Due to the historic in-fighting nature of the Sith, Vader did not enjoy permanent confidence by Palpatine's side. It was the Sith way (which Palpatine knew well, from history and his own betrayals) that Vader would turn on him eventually.

    Some revelations said to arise from the recent Darth Vader comics:
    • Vader becomes obsessed learning who destroyed the Death Star and makes it a primary mission to find out, involving Boba Fett at one point
    • Palpatine blames Vader for the destruction of the Death Star
    • Vader gets demoted for a while
    • Vader gets some competition in the form of some new hybrid character Cylo-IV (later Cylo-V)
    These "befores" and "afters" help to generally contextualize Vader precariously within the Emperor's overall plans

    -- so much that I think, when we see Vader's attitude about the Death Star on display in A New Hope, he might have some good reason not to share in the Empire's enthusiasm of the Death Star, as he states:

    "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force"

    I think that can potentially speak volumes beyond his allegiance to the Force as a Sith.

    Imagine if this comment was given some further history (in Rogue One) if he used the Force to disable or disrupt the Death Star.

    Even if that were not the case, I think his Episode IV comment above at least shows he has more faith in the Force than in the Death Star at that point.

    Perhaps we will get to understand some of this in Rogue One. Or maybe the storytellers avoid that altogether and put Vader on display simply as the attack dog of Emperor Palpatine. The action part might be cool, as we might expect, but I think there's an opportunity here to display more than just Vader going full Sith on the Rebels.

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  5. Old Biff from the Future

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    I haven't even though about Palpatine being in R1.....lol

    I wonder if Vader does get demoted? Good question.....
     
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    I think unfortunately we won't see any character development for Vader. We will only see him as the 'Attack Dog'. How I wish that wasn't the case.
     
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    Having such a pyrotechnic Force furious Vader unleashing himself on the Rebels seems to make perfect sense if Vader was simply a machine built for destruction -- a microcosmic human Death Star, if you will -- but he proved himself to be more than that in the Original Trilogy.

    The "attack dog" role seems more suitable for someone on Tarkin's level.

    Perhaps the inclusion of Vader might not necessarily "enhance" much of his character other than to prove he could be as acrobatic as Darth Maul, or even more so, and something so horrific that the mere mention of his name was enough to strike fear in his foes.

    I think Vader already had that level of presence in the Original Trilogy, but perhaps there is a need for some to see Vader/Anakin commit even more on-screen atrocities? Anakin/Vader had fallen very far before donning the black suit during the Prequels.

    Oddly enough, it could actually negatively impact his legend if they overdo it and simply have him be an unfiltered if not cartoonish conduit for the Dark Side.

    On the other hand, seeing a decidedly vitriolic Vader could potentially serve to emphasize how far removed from the Light and seemingly hopeless he was at this stage in his life, before he discovered he had a son.

    If Rogue One is closer to Episode III: Revenge of the Sith than to Episode IV: A New Hope, then the rage which carried Anakin from Light to Darkness and the memories of losing Padme would still be quite fresh with him, and perhaps he would be still in that utterly "vitriolic Vader" mode.

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    I'm now increasingly sceptic whether Rogue One is something to really look forward to or not. While it can and should be bold in terms of the story-telling I wonder how much director and producers will respect ANH and not make ANH look dull or boring after R1.

    Sometimes less is more, but I'm not certain Disney is really aware of it. And I'm not aware of one prequel that hasn't created a continuity conflict with the original material, so why should R1 be the exception from the rule?

    Just the rumor that Vader can supposedly crash overhead X-Wings by using the Force, begs the question why he didn't do so already in ANH.
     
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    Great post!

    One way they could possibly fix that (Vader not Force-crashing X-Wings) is that, back after a mission in Rogue One, Vader catches some unexpected flack from a TIE fighter pilot (kind of hyper and reckless even when before Dark Siders like Poe Dameron, as he defiantly spoke to Kylo Ren)

    -- perhaps a pilot Vader somehow respects, either before or suddenly because of what he says and/or how he says it, as in this example:

    INT. HANGAR - NIGHT.

    TIE Pilot and Vader descend from their ships. The TIE Pilot removes his helmet and is annoyed. He approaches Vader.

    TIE Pilot (exasperated): Lord Vader, with all due respect, I had those Rebels! They were mine!

    Vader: The targets were neutralized nevertheless.

    TIE Pilot: Sure. Look, it's great and all you have the Force with you like that. It must be something. But, in my squadron, could you please try being a pilot like the rest of us? I mean, have a little faith in us.

    Vader raises his hand, considers Force-choking the pilot.

    TIE Pilot: Look, you know how hard we train. This is very personal for me. The Rebels -- they took down my friend. Young guy. First mission. New TIE fighter. All he wanted to do was serve he Empire. He was like a brother to me. And now he's gone. Do you know what that's like?

    Vader lowers his hand.

    Vader: Understood, Captain. You are dismissed.

    Then, after that point, Vader makes a conscious decision to not use the Force while flying (at least with fellow Imperial pilots) because he does not want to demoralize the squadron.

    And a key part of this exchange resonating with Vader is the "like a brother" part, which could tap Vader's repressed memory of Obi-Wan's last words with him at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

    Something just enough to give him pause.

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    I want this so bad. You don't even know.
     
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    JediMasterRobert...I told you.Congrats my friend....Your post is the post of the week ;).
    I know it man.You hit it.This will NOT be the ONLY one for you...
    [​IMG]

    Keep the GOOD work and let the FORCE be with you :).
     
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    I would like to have a kind of Zero Dark Thirty in Star Wars Mode on the mission point of view, just seing Vader on the opposite camp with no interactions and see the whole mission during 2 hours live.
     
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    1. Regarding that ANH Crawl, do we know where this "hidden base" is? Is it Yavin IV, or somewhere else?

    2. Regarding Vader "tracing" the spies to Leia, I'm fairly certain we'll see Vader capture a key spy and interrogate them (possibly in a way that mirrors Kylo's attempts...that were mirroring Vader's attempts).
     
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    I think we can safely say they meant Yavin IV.
     
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    If it's done well, then it will enhance the saga. Now when you read the opening crawl to ANH, you will know how that all went down and the great sacrifices that we're necessary to even achieve that first victory.
     
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    This has already been addressed with Rebels. At least, we know it is no longer over Geonosis. As far as why Geonosis was sterilized, that remains to be seen (although the 'why' can pretty easily be inferred based on Palpy's actions at the end of LOTS). All we do know is that by the time of the events in Rebels: The Honorable Ones, Geonosis is devoid of life (on the surface, at least, thanks DV#4) and DS1 has been moved and the original orbital construction facility abandoned.

    EDIT:
    You bring up an interesting point here that I think will tie into why we saw DS1 above a lush, green planet in the Celebration Teaser. I seriously doubt that was an accident.
     
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    After watching the Rebels episode "A Princess in Lothal" what I understood now from what C3PO says is that there is no way the Princess is going to get away with it this time. Previously in that Rebels episode, Princess Leia was still playing the game of being part of the Empire, but at the same time helping the Rebels. I guess during the period in between - when she became a Senator and then when she was captured in the Tantive IV - she kept doing that but still playing her part as loyal to the Empire. But then when reading "Lost Stars" at the Imperial Ball with the Academy cadets there is this dialogue when they mentioned her appearance at the ball was sort of unexpected after her recent speech at the Senate - I guess marking her as contrary to the Empire - so I guess her position was already becoming more unstable by then.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 9, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 9, 2016 ---
    Yes, I don't think it will be the focus of Rogue One, he will appear as a strike force from the Empire, but the actual focus of the movies should be the band of rebels who did steal the Death Star plans.
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    In my opinion, after reading very interesting pieces of new canon (like "Lost Stars" and the comics) and watching "Rebels" I am really looking forward to see Rogue One. Though we know what happens afterwards it is really interesting to see what happened in that period of time, when it was basically a blackout period for us in terms of information. Obviously it will be hard to meet everyone's expectations - we saw it with "The Force Awakens" and with the prequels - but I hope with the Story Group they have now to try to keep all the loose ends tied and work on the continuity that they will do a good job.
     
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    The good thing about Rogue One is that it's not really attached to the trilogies, meaning there is probably much more creative freedom.

    If it meant to be brutal and dark, then this will be the surprise hit of 2016 and probably first trimester of 2017.

    Gareth Edwards has filmed some pretty dark scenes. take a look at this and put it into creative context with what Rogue One may bring us.

    Just take a look at the first 1:16.

     
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    Think about the original trilogy and the new canon. 95% of it is related to some extent to the Big Three. The Big Three and the rebels connected to them are just a minuscule part of Rebellion, not to mention GFFA. We already have some indication (from Moving Target, for example) that Rebellion was much larger than what we saw on screen. Imagine how much larger is the Empire.

    We might and, I think, we will see more of the Rebellion than just the pilots - specialists of all kinds (weaponry, reconnaissance, spying, etc.) and more from the Empire besides ordinary, snow and scout stormtroopers (special forces, not just by environment but by specialty, etc.). We might actually see the atrocities of the empire up-close on different planets. They have to make us care for these characters when they get to the final battle and start dying. We will for sure spend half of the movie getting to know them and through them the state of the galaxy, the Empire, the Rebellion. This movie will enhance, I believe, the original trilogy, not just in context but show us how our original heroes are not by any means the only heroes.

    I am really looking forward to the movie because I think it will show us the true meaning of the "dark times" and insurmountable obstacles the Rebellion must tackle.
     
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    Great thread! I have a few points I'd like to address.

    I was going to bring up Leia's recent appearance on Rebels, but @PrincessLeiaCB3 beat me to it. I don't know if we'll necessarily see Leia escape from Vader with the plans, but we already know that she was a double-agent by the time of ANH and probably had a lot of near-escapes. In fact, I don't necessarily want to see every piece of dialogue from ANH explained in Rogue One; I want to see an original story with mostly original characters, and let ANH stand on it's own as the start to the OT.

    You're right about the thin line, but we, as fans, have to be willing to accept new things (to a point). Yes, we will probably see "new" variations on stormtroopers; by itself, this fact might upset some fans. But we have to be willing to adjust our head canon: maybe we'll be seeing some spc forces that were never really needed in the OT, or were deployed off-screen for missions we never saw. We have to remember that what we saw in the OT was only a sliver of the entire Galactic Civil War; there were troops and ships we never saw simply because they weren't relevant to the battles we did see. (props to @LadyMusashi beating me to the punch.)

    That would be cool, but we know via Darth Vader #4 that Geonosis is still intact between ANH and ESB. We know from Rebels that the population was wiped out years before Rogue One, so it looks like we're missing the mark when it comes to witnessing Geonosis-linked atrocities on-screen.

    I think this is another place where we, as fans, have to be a little forgiving of the order in which these films were made. Obviously, the action in Rogue One will be far more intense than anything we saw in ANH (hell, the lightsaber battle in the movie was quickly outshone just from it's own sequels), but what we'll be seeing is a completely different aspect of the SW saga. ANH (and the rest of the OT) shows us only events that are linked to Luke and the gang, but there's still a far larger war going on; we see some important events, but not all of them. So yeah, going from Rogue One to ANH might be a little jarring, but it should be fine so long as we all adjust our head-canon slightly.
     
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