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How Does his Twitter Post Make Mark Hamill The Bad Guy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by NotQyteNeo, Apr 27, 2019.

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Is Mark Hamill Wrong for Posting That Image On Twitter?

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  1. Andrew Waples

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    That was never meant to be posted. I forgot about the draft save feature. That said, I care about respecting people opinions. Not criticizing a group of the fandom that likes or dislikes a thing.
     
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    Andrew, you shouldn't care about him, because in your world (real OR SW) he's a nobody, and he's one of those people that just LOOKS to offend people, because that's the only attention he gets...what a thing to be known for...

    Let him scream and whine, and keep loving SW like the rest of us.
     
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    Mark can post whatever he wants.

    I have loved the guy for as long as I've known Star Wars, and he has been and is still a wonderful, kind and funny man who adores his fans. But his opinion of the ST has divided fans (again), which I think is stupid. Mark has expressed his disdain for some elements of the ST and clearly would have taken the movies a different direction if given the choice. However, it is possible to simultaneously like a person and to disagree with them.

    I don't believe a reunion of the OT characters would improve the ST. It might be fun, emotional and definitely nostalgic, but to me, having a reunion in the first two movies would be a little too pandering, much like Finn finding Luke's training remote on the Falcon. But to Mark, Han and Leia are more than characters, they are his friends and I also strongly believe that Carrie's passing has damaged the ST a bit in Mark's eyes, so it doesn't surprise me that he holds a different opinion than I do.
     
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    Hamill posted a photo of spurious origins, people respectfully said: "er, maybe that's not cool" or "please don't do this".
    and somehow that spiraled into "people are attacking Mark Hamill!" and instantly the whole feed with awash in vile insults.

    i saw this literally unfold on twitter and it went from zero to 900-level hysteria in nothing flat.
    and now everyone is claiming behavior on both sides that is absolutely not true.

    this is the worst this fandom has to offer.
    at best Hamill could have addressed the perceived problem differently.
    he chose not to and at the end of the day he's just a person and he has the right to express his opinions.
    it's really up to us to be the heroes who rise above this sort of thing.
     
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    Just because the Big 3 are back together in the ST doesn't make the story unoriginal. Would you want to see Back to the Future 4 and Doc and Marty never interact once? Would you bring back Superman and not have him interact with Lois Lane? You can still have an original story in the ST about the Big 3 and have them together too (look at the EU books). You can still make the story about the new characters (Rey, Finn and Poe), but there is nothing wrong with having the Big 3 together guiding them in their struggles.

    I would say to anyone, "Why wouldn't you want to see Han, Luke and Leia together again?" They can still have struggles in this Trilogy, they can still play a secondary role to the new characters too, but I think it was absolutely one of the biggest missed opportunities by Disney not to have these 3 together in Episode 7. And I'm not talking about one scene, I'm talking about having a narrative in this Trilogy where they are all apart. Mind Boggling.
     
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    To me, this is the other edge of the blade that is the toxic fandom. Usually, when toxic fandom is referred to, it means those who dislike the ST or TLJ. I think those toxic fans are those who try and rile up and troll those who don't agree with them, as well as those who try and silence, shame and rebuke "the other side". Demanding apologies for such nonsense is toxic... not to mention idiotic.

    Hate or love these movies, I don't care. Drop by in my neck of the woods and we'll have a beer and/or coffee and talk about all things SW. If we don't agree on a movie, you'll see that our disagreement won't extend to you, but ends at the movie and fiction. We can laugh about it and carry on with our lives. In short, it's okay to have a fantasy about a fantasy... I will never hold that against someone.
     
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    Well, I just think a short reunion as described in my original post would have been great. And i again think this is what MH is referring to. Don't think he is complaining about the OT cast being in more supporting roles. The ST was always going to be about the next generation. I think he's been on board with that for the most part.
     
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    Missed opportunity for what? If a reunion would have been good for the story then great. If it wasnt good for the story or would result in either contortions to the story or a changed story that isnt good then it is just pandering and certainly not a missed opportunity.

    They had some very good creative people working on the ST and I am certain they explored how they could reunite people, but I suspect they said it just didnt work. It would change the story too much. Like JJ and RJ have said Luke involvement kept getting pushed back because Luke sucked all the air out of the room. Now you not only would need Luke involved earlier you had to get him together with Han, Leia, Lando and Chewie.

    Hey I am all for fan service. It can be fun, but you cant have it change the story.
     
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    Reuniting Han, Luke and Leia is fan service? THEY are the heart of the Saga, as fan service is showing the 2 guys from the Cantina in Rogue One. Fan service is when Finn hits his arm on the chessboard in the falcon and it lights up like it did in ANH when Chewy/C3PO were playing. If having Luke, Leia and Han in the ST together is fan service, then you and I look at fan service WAY differently. If they couldn't write a story that included the 3 legendary characters together in this Trilogy, than they never should have included them and set the era 100+ years after ROTJ. It' would be no different than Back to the Future 4 coming out and never reunite Doc and Marty. Who wants to see that?
     
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    Many types of fan service. One type is putting in a scene simply because fans would like to see it.
     
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    Fan service is just as much those things as putting Han, Luke and Leia all together when, arguably, a more compelling story is told with them apart.
    Fan service isn't inherently bad or good. It just is.
    It's all about how it's used.
     
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    Because they are Star Wars.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 8, 2019, Original Post Date: May 8, 2019 ---
    That’s a billion dollar scene right there.
     
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    This post encapsulates my feelings to a tee. Spot on. Thank you!
     
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    I'm not talking about putting them in a scene, I'm talking about writing storyline/narrative where they are working together like they did in the OT while passing the torch to Rey, Poe and Finn.


    You realize you can do both? There could have been a compelling story where it split them apart at the beginning, and than brought them together at the end (or in the middle of the story and they pass the torch to the new characters). That is what I don't understand is everyone has this rigid idea that it can only be this or it can only be that. I keep hearing the arguments that because the OT had this story of Han, Luke and Leia, than the only compelling story is that you can't have them together in the ST.
     
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    I am sure they had story ideas where they reunited and story ideas where they didnt. Probably several of each. They reviewed them and decided what they thought was best for the trilogy.
     
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    Let's be honest, they probably had 1 movie with Harrison. I never said it could only be one or the other but quite frankly I haven't seen anything as engaging as the story presented on screen that didn't just feel like Crystal Skull for Star Wars where an aging hero plays all the old hits and it's really not worth the investment.
     
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    So in the end, they went with a story in Episode 7 that is literally lifted beat to beat from ANH almost like a cover band. And you guys found that satisfying? That movie was the ultimate fan service in a story sense that had no originality at all. I guess to each their own.
     
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    But, as I demonstrated in my original post:
    1. "Scene" does not mean 5-10 minutes of screen/story time. It could mean just a 10-20 second shot.
    2. It would not have been at all hard to accomplish #1 while still keeping the story on track.

    Clearly, this was not a priority for LF. But I can't fault MH for disagreeing with that.
     
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    Sorry it isnt just the 1 shot it is the orchestration to get it all together and to make it all make sense. Do you think they didnt to spite fans? I really question the thoughts that people have. LFL knows they have fans and they know fan service makes fans smile. So they dont go out of the way to not do things fans would like. Yet they dont perform gymnastics when it doesnt serve the story they are trying to tell.

    As for MH. I love him, but his career is what about 50 years old now. He has never been a creator, he has been an actor.
     
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    Sorry - still think it would have been relatively easy, just obviously not a priority for LF IMO.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2019, Original Post Date: May 11, 2019 ---
    A brief reunion is not even remotely in the ballpark with "Crystal Skull for SW". Not even close.
     
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