1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

How Does his Twitter Post Make Mark Hamill The Bad Guy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by NotQyteNeo, Apr 27, 2019.

?

Is Mark Hamill Wrong for Posting That Image On Twitter?

  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. No

    24 vote(s)
    80.0%
  1. Too Bob Bit

    Too Bob Bit Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2018
    Posts:
    282
    Likes Received:
    4,099
    Trophy Points:
    13,367
    Credits:
    1,137
    Ratings:
    +4,494 / 5 / -0
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. RoyleRancor

    RoyleRancor Jedi General

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2016
    Posts:
    4,675
    Likes Received:
    23,968
    Trophy Points:
    150,667
    Credits:
    18,755
    Ratings:
    +31,027 / 126 / -93
    The scenarios I have seen have essentially been just that. Playing the greatest hits and looking too old while doing it.
    And, as JJ has pointed out, if you put Luke in that first film it gives no other new characters room to breathe and take hold. It becomes all about Luke.

    It's the biggest issue I have with Captain Marvel in the MCU right now. she's basically in her final form already. It makes her incredibly uninteresting and is also a large flaw in how Superman is often presented. If you already have final form Luke and he's good to go, you don't need Finn, Poe or Rey....the characters this trilogy is about.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  3. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    I missed all of this. To much other stuff going on. MH, liked a picture, it doesn't mean he likes whatever else the guy has on his site. Come on, he retweeted something he saw, it doesn't even mean he knew who created it. If the guy is some kind of whacko, there is not indication that MH had any indication of that prior.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  4. Dawn

    Dawn Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2017
    Posts:
    476
    Likes Received:
    1,011
    Trophy Points:
    4,842
    Credits:
    1,553
    Ratings:
    +1,497 / 22 / -20
    Hold on...He posted an image created by someone...let me gather my composure for this...with the wrong opinion? Oh my word, what is this world coming to?
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  5. KeithF1138

    KeithF1138 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2017
    Posts:
    666
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Trophy Points:
    5,767
    Credits:
    2,013
    Ratings:
    +2,237 / 27 / -12
    Not just the picture. It is the comment that went along with it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  6. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    3,422
    Likes Received:
    11,792
    Trophy Points:
    142,267
    Credits:
    12,971
    Ratings:
    +15,167 / 55 / -33
    Look, this isn't a "free speech" issue. He wasn't arrested, the government didn't take any action.

    This might come as a shock to some, but free speech doesn't make your words immune to criticism. Words have consequences! Let's have some nuance, folks.

    Here are the problems:

    -As others have mentioned, the image creator is the embodiment of the toxic side of Star Wars


    - Nothing exists in a vacuum. The Star Wars community is volatile, and Mark is well aware of this.

    - This isn't the first time he's posted stuff like this, further widening the rift among fans

    - The hashtag #MissedOppurtunities just adds even more fuel to the fire.


    The answer here is simple. Was it "Wrong"? I mean, as an actor in a franchise, it was a really stupid and tactless move. I guess it's debatable if it was ethically "wrong", but otherwise yeah, this was obviously the wrong thing to do.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Disagree Disagree x 3
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  7. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    He's just stating the fact that it was a missed opportunity. The scene can never happen. While it is certainly IMPLIED that he wishes it happened, it doesn't mean he doesn't like what exists, even if he really doesn't.

    MOD EDIT
     
    #47 ObeeJaun, May 14, 2019
    Last edited by a moderator: May 14, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  8. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    3,422
    Likes Received:
    11,792
    Trophy Points:
    142,267
    Credits:
    12,971
    Ratings:
    +15,167 / 55 / -33
    Terrific.

    No one is saying he's not allowed to have that opinion.

    Nevertheless, it comes across as either tone deaf or antagonistic in the current Star Wars climate.

    As a major actor and arguably a spokesperson of the series, I honestly don't see how anyone could argue that this tweet facilitated a healthy fandom.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  9. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    He stated it was a missed opportunity. You all are reading way to much into this. I missed the opportunity to meet Joseph Stalin by being born after his death. I didn't want to meet him, but the opportunity is missed.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 14, 2019, Original Post Date: May 14, 2019 ---

    Right, because we know that we don't ACTUALLY have free speech in this country. If you have ANY form of conservative viewpoint (and I do not mean strictly politically) If you want to conserve the nature of anything ranging from Star Wars to marriage, the constitution to fashion, you are the "toxic side" of whatever it is. I'm pretty sure that calling out the "toxic side" of something is toxic in itself. If you LOVE the new of anything, you are immune to criticism, if you prefer the old, you are not immune to criticism and are a fascist.

    Heck, even when you make a tongue-in-cheek comment it's considered vitriol.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    • Off Topic Off Topic x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  10. KeithF1138

    KeithF1138 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2017
    Posts:
    666
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Trophy Points:
    5,767
    Credits:
    2,013
    Ratings:
    +2,237 / 27 / -12
    Free speech has never been free from criticism and believe me people on the liberal side of things take criticism and comments as well. I wont say some of the common terms used because this is really not what this thread is for.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  11. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    Yes, I stand corrected, those who are on the liberal side are criticized, but it’s not considered evil. MH, is a liberal when it comes to politics outside of Star Wars, but he isn’t treated as though he’s Palpatine incarnate until he declares a feeling of nostalgia.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2019, Original Post Date: May 15, 2019 ---
    Dumb, weak, whiny maybe, but evil? What part of my post is wrong ?
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  12. KeithF1138

    KeithF1138 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2017
    Posts:
    666
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Trophy Points:
    5,767
    Credits:
    2,013
    Ratings:
    +2,237 / 27 / -12
    Really dont want to continue this, but I have seen people on twitter tell MH he is evil for his liberal views. Called godless many times. Still this isnt the place for this.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  13. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    3,422
    Likes Received:
    11,792
    Trophy Points:
    142,267
    Credits:
    12,971
    Ratings:
    +15,167 / 55 / -33

    My dude, no one is saying Mark is "evil" for this...

    Look, I think it's kind of bizarre that my post simply asked for nuance in this conversation and a recognition that freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence, and it was somehow met by you with a weird tirade of political propaganda?

    I'm honestly not even sure what to tell you on that one...
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. KesselRunner

    KesselRunner Rebel General

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2015
    Posts:
    273
    Likes Received:
    611
    Trophy Points:
    4,617
    Credits:
    1,127
    Ratings:
    +963 / 5 / -1
    Seems to me that expressing personal regrets on social media (or on the internet in general) is a questionable decision for anybody, whether they're famous or not. For a famous person, who has a fair amount of clout in society, expressing a regret like that can be an influence on...certain individuals. It's unfortunate, but that's the world we live in.

    Does mark Hamill's post make him a bad guy? No. However, I doubt he considered the ramifications of someone so famous expressing a personal regret on the internet...especially twitter...
     
    • Like Like x 3
  15. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    For the record, I'm not saying those things, I'm saying that I have certainly heard said individuals called these things, but rarely are they accused of being evil, oppressive, hateful and vitriolic, whereas the opposite side are characterized as all of those things regularly. Which is more toxic?
    --- Double Post Merged, May 16, 2019, Original Post Date: May 16, 2019 ---
    Weird tirade of political propaganda? No one said that free speech should be without consequence. The question was

    "HOW DOES HIS TWITTER POST MAKE MARK HAMILL THE BAD GUY?"

    You answered,


    and accused MH of being devisive:



    I was simply pointing out that when anyone gives any "conservative" opinion about anything, it is typically viewed as venomous. While I gave some "political" examples, I was not going on some "political" tirade.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Cute Cute x 1
  16. Anubis78

    Anubis78 Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2018
    Posts:
    258
    Likes Received:
    18,646
    Trophy Points:
    144,467
    Credits:
    6,005
    Ratings:
    +19,075 / 0 / -1
    I think maybe he posted a pic of some people he really cared about and it had S#$@ to do with the movie, maybe it was just the old gang back together again. With Carrie passing there is not another chance for them all to do anything together.
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  17. ObeeJaun

    ObeeJaun Rebel General

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2019
    Posts:
    215
    Likes Received:
    615
    Trophy Points:
    3,672
    Credits:
    323
    Ratings:
    +825 / 29 / -31
    Exactly. No reason to read any more into it.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 16, 2019, Original Post Date: May 16, 2019 ---
    It's a post asking if a tweet makes MH a bad guy.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Cute Cute x 1
  18. Sparafucile

    Sparafucile Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2017
    Posts:
    967
    Likes Received:
    1,563
    Trophy Points:
    5,592
    Credits:
    2,225
    Ratings:
    +2,437 / 72 / -27
    What consequence should MH really face for having an opinion that he would have liked to have a scene with those from the OT? As for him creating divisiveness, I think it's the other way around... he's offering an olive branch to those fans who've been disenfranchised by SW, showing that there is common ground, that he too has regrets and wishes unfulfilled but can still appreciate what the story tells.

    Real world politics has gotten into the SW fandom, and that includes it's divisiveness and defending "your side" at all cost, even if you probably wouldn't agree in a vacuum, you have to disagree because the other side agrees lol. It's hilarious and sad. I'm not sure if you're aware, but "freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence" is a very left leaning statement that means next to nothing and is probably " triggering" to those on the right. Which is probably what got the politics into the conversation.

    Look, I think MH is as much a fan as the rest of us. He saw that photo and the fan in him regretted not being able to deliver that to fans and he realizes he'll never have the chance to again. I don't see it as a commentary on the ST, but on a scene as a fan, he would have liked to have seen or as an actor been able to deliver to the roar of happy fans. Nothing more, nothing less. Implying there was more is the issue with fans on both sides... the toxicity of both lovers and haters alike. Not saying they're all bad actors, but sometimes we all get drawn into a fight that after a few posts we realize we're fighting a fight we don't really agree with but it morphed on us into something we no longer agree with. I've been there, at this point I think we've all been there at some point.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  19. KeithF1138

    KeithF1138 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2017
    Posts:
    666
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Trophy Points:
    5,767
    Credits:
    2,013
    Ratings:
    +2,237 / 27 / -12
    I wasnt referring to the MH tweet. This was in response to the comment about "conservatives" being called things and somehow the idea that "liberals" arent.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  20. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    3,422
    Likes Received:
    11,792
    Trophy Points:
    142,267
    Credits:
    12,971
    Ratings:
    +15,167 / 55 / -33
    I think that's a lot of projection, but it's possible.

    Either way, I don't want him to be punished or anything. I just want him to be more careful in the future.

    Look, we can split hairs and get into discussion of "what really is a 'bad guy'", but honestly that sounds tedious. If you look at the actual posts here, the discussion is about why people were upset at him for doing this, and I think I've made my points pretty clear by now. Have a good day.
     
    • Like Like x 3
Loading...

Share This Page