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SPECULATION How does the lightsaber survive Bespin? Simple answer no one seems to have considered

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Shawshank, Apr 5, 2015.

  1. Shawshank

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    so everyone is trying to figure out how the younglings killing, generation spanning lightsaber could have survived.


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Bespin ever actually CALLED a gas giant? I think it's been assumed because people tend to compare it to Jupiter, Saturn, etc.

    Here's the thing. ESB talks about the Tabana Gas Mines but that's from the atmosphere.

    As we know, a gas giant doesn't have a legitimate surface, and is instead created by a core that is exposed and highly "magnetic," which is what traps the "gasses."



    What we seem to forget is that our true sister planet is Venus, which is basically shrouded by a gas-formed (highly toxic) atmosphere, but it has an actual solid land mass below the thick, poisonous clouds.


    Why can't Bespin be Venus rather than Jupiter?
     
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    Very interesting.

    So how does the giant worm breath in space? *kidding*couldn't resist*runs in shame*sorry*etc*....

    ;)
     
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    I think a more interesting question is how does it survive in a vacuum? Maybe it generates its own mini-atmosphere? Either way Star Wars is a fantasy as opposed to a sci-fi like Star Trek so we don't have to answer those questions.

    In regards to OP, it's an interesting train of thought but I feel like a major question by the anti-spacesaber brigade isn't really how but moreso who. Will a member of said brigade correct me if I am wrong
     
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    So what proof do we have that a lighsaber is near indestructible. if a lighssaber is able to survive this, why build a city in the clouds ?
     
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    Wait....what?

    As in....they built cloud city so they could destroy lightsabers by dropping them into the abyss?

    Well....that's a new one....
     
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    nope,
    nope. but using it more logical that a ship or a station would survive such harsh enviroment, then a weapon. so if a lighsaber gets through this, why is there a need to build a station or city in the clouds? lighsaber aren`t that special, its just a tool or weapon, they got lost or destroyed all over G canon.
    Even if there is a small planet it still has to survive the reentry and impact.
     
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    Because it looks awesome in a movie, that's why.
     
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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bespin/Canon

    Clearly states that Bespin is indeed a gas giant. To get technical, it would still have a "surface"; at a certain point before you would reach the core, the pressure would have compressed the gas into a solid-like surface. However, this pressure would have the unfortunate effect of crushing any and all lightsabers/free-floating hands that might fall that far through the atmosphere.

    I think that IF the lightsabers rumors are true (and I very much hope they are not), then the easiest explanation is that someone took the saber from Cloud City sometime after the Luke/Vader duel.
     
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    I think an even simpler explanation is that the lightsaber didn't plummet into the clouds in the first place. Some people are convinced it does, some are not. I, for one, am not.
     
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    The only reason I hope the floating lightsaber thing isn't true is not because I don't like the idea, but because I know how some are already writing the movie off because of it. I can see all the internet backlash. T-shirts, youtube rant videos, adultswim parodies, etc etc...

    "Seriously JJ??? A floating lightsaber?? This is the best you could come up with?!? THIS MOVIE SUCKS! You ruined Star Wars! Again."

    "you ST people are crazy for liking these crap movies. THERE WAS A LIGHTSABER IN SPACE!! I mean come on!"

    :p
     
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    If Luke's first lightsaber did fall out of Cloud City then it's lost forever.
     
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    A few things:

    1. Bespin is definitely a gas giant. It was most definitely referred to as a gas giant in the early production phases of TESB and has always been treated as a gas giant in all related Star Wars material. There's no disputing it's status as a gas giant.

    2. Venus doesn't have a poisonous atmosphere so much as it has an incredibly thick atmosphere made mostly of carbon. The effect is that atmospheric pressure on the surface is nearly 100 times greater than Earth (read: If you ever managed to reach the surface your head would crush or explode), and average surface temperature is just under 900 degrees Fahrenheit.

    3. Real world physics don't actually apply in the Star Wars universe and there's too many examples to list to even make this worth talking about but examples include stupid things like Asteroids having surface gravity greater than our moon and at least as good as Earth and requiring no more than a breathing mask to explore it's surface, sound in space, and light speed being enough to get from one side of the galaxy to another in all of a few hours time.

    4. No matter how it's done, floating lightsaber through space kicking off the story and being pursued by Rebel and Imperial forces is a really dumb idea, going even further with it and making it Luke's lightsaber from TESB just floating out there all along is even worse. And it really has nothing to do with the physics and everything to do with the lightsaber floating through space and being guided by destiny through the force to Rey.

    But leave it to Star Wars fans to over think everything.

    This is how we ended up getting stupid things like Luke Skywalker clones and Darth Maul surviving being cut and half and descending many feet into an abyss. And now apparently Anakin's first lightsaber being easily destroyed in a factory, but his second somehow escaping Bespin's gravity after floating through the clouds and then traveling through space all the way to arrive at Tatooine in a little over 30 years.

    And Han Solo just happens to be there or is only a phone call away and recognizes it as Luke's but doesn't recognize his own daughter.

    Dumbdumbdumb.
     
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    That's why I feel the Third Order stuff has to be taken somewhat in conjunction with with the idea of the lightsaber in space because it makes it somewhat plausible. Instead of a lightsaber somehow floating through space after seemingly lost on a gas giant we instead have someone who retrieved it as soon as it was lost and instead of being lost for 30 years it was lost for a short moment and it also explains why Kylo Ren is trying so hard to look for it.
     
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    I think the third order should remain on the ground & the lightsaber should remain on the Bespin gas surface.
     
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    Ya that's plausible and I wouldn't have an issue with that, so long as we're clear that this thing hasn't just been free-floating it's way from Bespin to Tatooine.

    And if that is the case, it could just be any lightsaber and that's so much more preferable to destiny surrounding this one weapon. Unless the guy is just that obsessed over Darth Vader and that's why they're after the thing in the first place.

    Don't think the third order idea is even in dispute, the Sith are definitely destroyed and the prophecy fulfilled at the end of Rotj. And even in the films a red light saber does not immediately equal a Sith.
     
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    I think it's extremely reasonable to assume it had been in someone's possession prior to being lost, and not simply escaping the gravity of Bespin on its own. :D
     
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    You don't NEED a third order for someone to dig a lightsabre out of the City. Vader could have ordered the sabre found. Random ugnauts could be using it as a metal cutter till it attracts attention. But I agree even if it is the blue sabre lost in cloud city that does not mean that has been floating in space for 40 years and makes it to Tatooine (that idea is designed just to paint the idea in the worst possible light).
     
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    Totally agree.
     
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    Perhaps Finn turns to the dark side. Rey is "repulsed" by this weapon (which was responsible for death of many youngling/innocents) while Finn attracted to it. Perhaps it is tainted by dark side energy and that's why it is the key to the tomb.
     
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    Not that I like the idea, but I think that it would be reasonable to think that it could survive reentry if the hilt can also withstand forming a high energy plasma blade.

    Also a little tid bit - Venus does have a poisonous atmosphere (sulfuric acid clouds). I remember discussing in great detail about all the different ways a person would die on Venus in my freshman astronomy class.
     
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