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SPECULATION How important is it for you that JJ ties all 9 movies together?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Jedi77-83, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Jedi77-83

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    Simple question?

    The reason I ask is that I have noticed that many fans who like the ST here, don't like the PT. Then there are many fans who like PT, that don't like the ST (I used to post at TFN and that is dominated by fans who only look at the Saga 1-6). Of course there are fans who love the PT/ST, so I don't want to discount them either. If you are a fan of the OT/ST, and don't really care about the PT, do you really care if TROS ties all 9 movies together?

    I used to feel this way, but I have sort of changed my stance (I am not a fan of the PT), and don't feel it is necessary at this point. I would hate to enjoy TROS all the way up to the ending, and than JJ throws in some crazy twist about Rey or Kylo that attempts to tie the movies back Episode 1. I won't say some of the theories that are being thrown around, but I am very worried if any are true.
     
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    It really depends what JJ means by "tie all the movies together."

    Does that mean we get to see specific callbacks to the prequels? Darth Plagueis? Battle Droids? Clones? Rey as Schmi?

    Tbh I would love any of that stuff, but I don't think the movie needs it.

    Or does "tie all the movies together" mean that IX makes the whole Saga feel like one story? To me, THIS is extremely important.

    The first six films have a tight narrative thread. It's the rise and fall of Palpatine, the story of Anakin, the creation and destruction of an empire. How do the sequels factor into this story? I'm not sure yet. I love them, but they feel kinda like a bump in the road more than an essential piece of the story.

    The story of the Saga has to be more than "The Jedi were purged, the empire rose, the empire fell, the Jedi rose again, but then the empire kinda rose again in a lesser way and was defeated again and the Jedi came back again."

    IX needs to tie things up in a way that gives the Saga a distinct shape. That leaves the status quo significantly different than at the end of ROTJ. Otherwise, why call these Saga films?
     
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    For me the prequels are disastrous movies. Unfortunately I already try to like the movies but I gave up. It doesn't work as a movie, they are simple a mess. They ruined the most important character of the saga (tied with Luke): Anakin.
    So I really want distance from the prequels, specially now that I am loving the sequels.
    So my anwser is: I don't really wanna see the ghost of Anakin (from the prequels) in tje movie. And I don't know if its a good idea show the ghost of old Anakin too (Sebastian Shaw). I think the character already had to much exposition (six movies).
    We will see what they meant when they say "tie the movies together".
     
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    JJ is really good at capturing the spirit of an IP (Star Trek and M:III show why he was the right choice for TFA). I think something this massive should have a definitive ending that ties the saga together.

    I don’t think the contents of AOTC should be any less important even though it’s an inferior film to say, ESB.

    They said it will all fit together at the end. What an achievement that would be!

    It wouldn’t crush me if it doesn’t, but I’m rooting for them to pull of such a lofty goal.
     
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    It’s the last of the saga... of course it’s important that it ties together - at least somewhat

    But I’d rather he doesn’t force the issue to cover every single little element, like Lucas tried to do with the prequels
     
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    Coming from someone who isn’t the biggest fan of the prequels (used to love ‘em, but I don’t really enjoy them as much anymore), I still think it’s important to wrap up all of the previous movies in this final installment. I’m not so concerned about unsubtle references or fan service to the other movies like many others seem to be, but I want for this movie to complete the narrative threads that ran through the Prequel and Original Trilogies. JJ Abrams said that when viewing all nine films at once, the ending of TROS should be obvious. I don’t have any idea of what an ending like that would entail, but I’d imagine it involves the ending of the Skywalker family drama, an ultimate conclusion to the battle between the light side and the dark, and for true everlasting balance in the Force to finally be achieved (without retconning Anakin Skywalker’s status as the Chosen One.) In the end, what I’d really like to see is that the participation of the Skywalkers in all of this conflict ultimately made the galaxy a better place than prior to The Phantom Menace. But while I think that it’s important for this film to neatly wrap up the saga, it won’t hinder my personal enjoyment of the film if it isn’t the perfect conclusion.
     
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    For me a successful tying together would be the redemption and survival of Kylo/Ben.

    All previous movies focused on the Skywalkers and their curse. Kylo Ren will be the one to break free of it.
     
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    They will tie it with World Between Worlds and Luke is not dead. The WBW has been there through both ST movies. You will see in TROS.
     
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    Only six there are. No more, no less. (yoda 2)
     
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    I do think and want the movie to tie it all together, but I’m not expecting a big final battle to bring balance forever.

    It should resolve character arcs, maybe end the Skywalker line (I’m not necessarily rooting for that), and put the force in balance for now.

    I think a universe with people in it (or generally sentient beings, as this a space movie with aliens) is bound to have evil pop up and throw itself out of balance from time to time (it’s why I didnt find it shocking that a few decades after ROTJ we’d have another problem with evil on ours hands).

    Also we have to keep in mind, it’d be pretty tough to make future movies about a “happily ever after.” Disney would be stuck with only going back in time and I don’t think they’ll want to limit themselves.
     
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    I think the focus should be wrapping up the ST first and everything else is secondary. Let's face it, each trilogy is it's own story arc with splashes of contective tissue. So, it really shouldn't be that hard to make it feel like it's all one big story.
     
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    Not too important but I do expect it end the series without feeling forced (no pun intended), I just hope they don't ignore events that happened in TLJ.
     
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    I don’t think they can, unless Luke and Snoke are randomly alive again, Kylo isn’t the Supreme Leader anymore, and the Resistance suddenly has all of its destroyed ships and pilots back with no explanation. I get what you mean though. :p

    I hope we see the effect Luke’s sacrifice has had on the galaxy and how his legend is spreading like the ending of TLJ implied.
     
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    I love the ST (and the OT) but feel the PT struggles in its execution. Regardless of that, I would love to see PT tie-ins in RoS; anything from minor cameos (Battle Droids) to major story points (Anakin's ghost showing up). I say, if executed well, bring the PT stuff on! :D
     
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    It'll be interesting to see how and what they do to tie up the saga, no doubt. I think it'll likely mean just putting a button on the legacy of Anakin and Palpatine, but who knows. For me, it's a bit trivial compared to just seeing what will happen next with where we left off. JJ's statement will pass from my mind like a fart in the wind once the crawl rolls and we tilt down to...

    Jeez we still got four months to go.
     
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    Pretty important. I don't want a lot of throwaway "hey, remember this!" type stuff. But if this is truly the end of the "Skywalker Saga", not just the ST, then it needs to include at least Anakin and Obi-wan in pretty integral roles, and maybe even discussions about Padme. I'm hoping them being around is what he meant by tying it all together. That being said, the time travel theories and Rey being Shmi, are just dumb and I'd hate it if they did that.

    I'd want it to use Anakin's fall and redemption, and the reasons behind them, to tie into the story somehow. Maybe to make Kylo rethink his worldview and worship of Vader, as well as guide Rey in her training and rebuilding the Jedi. I find it hard to believe that Anakin or Obi-wan's ghosts never appeared to Luke or Ben/Kylo when he was in the process of turning, or after when Kylo was literally speaking to Vader's helmet. They could try to pull a "Snoke blocked them" explanation, but now that Snoke is dead there's no reason why they wouldn't; and since Luke is a Force ghost now, they need to have the 3 of them together either helping Rey or "haunting" Kylo (maybe both).
     
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    I don't want a greatest hits movie, I want a lore expanding movie. It needs substantial plot points which go back further than The Phantom Menace, and it needs to explain The Sith a lot more.

    I don't want The Emperor back to be a pantomime villain again. Explain his origins and motivations, explain how he killed Plagueis and learned to cheat death. Show us how he kept Vader manipulated. The saga is in desperate need of lore when it comes to this character.

    Outside of that, i'd love any references to The Phantom Menace.. because the optimistic tone of that movie would help round off the sequel trilogy and saga.
     
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    I guess it is important to a point. But people expecting some huge tie-in will be disappointed. It will be small but impactful.
     
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    I think at this point, having a common thread in the last three of trilogy is important with some elements of the the six that came before it.
     
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    To me it is essential that there is some conclusiveness to the Skywalker Saga but, to do that all 9 movies don't have to be represented. The theme of each trilogy and underlying scenarios should be represented in their own unique way to tie everything together.
     
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