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How many of you who enjoyed TLJ went to see SOLO?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Rayjefury, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. Rayjefury

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    This has been bugging me for awhile.

    I am reasonably confident that there are comparable numbers of long-standing fans of SW that loved TLJ as those that hated it. If you enjoyed TLJ and are a long-standing fan of SW in general, I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't go see SOLO (especially since it seemed clear that folks that didn't like TLJ were going to claim any box office slump with SOLO as a result of their boycott). I would think that SOLO triumphing in Box Office would make a great argument that TLJ was liked, and that there was no backlash.

    So if you liked TLJ and consider yourself a long standing fan, did you see SOLO? If not, why not?
     
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    I don't call myself a "fan" , but I like TLJ and I did go to see Solo. Because it's Star Wars and how could I miss it?
     
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    Whatever anti-TLJ party made this claim clearly has a disconnect with reality, because even if a huge contingent of the Star Wars fanbase were able to organize some kind of calculated boycott against Solo, it wouldn't register any kind of impact on the box office numbers. The Star Wars fanbase is large, but it does not comprise of the entire world; it does not determine the success of a film. Regular movie-goers, the common consumer, decide the box office earnings of a film.

    And regular movie-goers opted not to see Solo. The credit for the low box-office lies almost exclusively with them.
     
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    I have to chime in, I'm a fan and I saw and enjoyed both films.
     
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    I just think most people didn't care or want the film. A large dollop of apathy is likely to blame.

    I wasn't particularly interested in a Han Solo origin story, despite finding the film largely enjoyable.

    Oh, and I loved TLJ.
     
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    I think boycott is often misrepresented. The image we get when the word "boycott" is mentioned is a bunch of people talking and deciding together on a certain action, in this case not watching solo. In that sense, I don't think there was a boycott (at least not one that had a direct effect on box office numbers of Solo). However, would fans who disliked TLJ decide they would not support the next SW film(s)? Some passive messages online, some people making public claims they would not, they're reasoning why they wouldn't ect... this I think is more possible. So not a boycott in the traditional sense. I would differentiate boycott between active and passive. I think possibly a passive boycott existed.

    In an active boycott I would say that is people mobilizing and organizing a resistance. I think there may have been pockets of this, but not enough to affect Solo on their own. The passive boycott however would have been people who did not like TLJ, (or any other reason to dislike Solo before seeing it) deciding before hand that it wasn't worth watching, and/or voting with their wallet. In some cases, they may have even been influenced by active boycotters had they been exposed to their message. This I think would have an effect on Solo. How big? I wouldn't even venture to guess. The reasoning? Again, though I believe TLJ was probably the driving factor in this, it certainly wasn't the only one. I know some people who hated TLJ who deliberately went to watch Solo just because it wasn't made by JJ or RJ. From seeing the previews, they felt it more closely approximated the feel of SW that they recognize. I remember watching IW and Solo was a preview, and that sold my brother and his family to go watch it, and they hated TLJ, in some instances more than I did.

    I think the point of this thread is to test a theory. If most people who liked TLJ watched Solo, then within that tiny sample size, he can corroborate that Solo was supported largely by TLJ lovers. In which case, since it lost money and had a small turnout, could be an argument, again with a small sample size to substantiate, that those who love TLJ are smaller in number than previously believed. In the end, it proves nothing, due to the small sample size. Simply put, just because TLJ lovers here went to watch Solo in droves, does not mean others didn't skip out on it for other reasons elsewhere. Not everybody (I would argue that we're a minority) is looking at SW and valuing it based on our love or hate of TLJ, or obsessed with debating if lovers or haters have the larger number. But, it adds a fresh "bit" of information to the debate of how many people loved or hated TLJ. In short, it's an answer to the weaponinzing the fandom thread. However, I don't think it's duplicitous, as he's very forward with his thought process. Which begs the question, some could lie about it to throw off the numbers and ruin the theory, knowing what the intention is.

    It circles back to wanting to be in the majority. Or substantiating your argument(s) by "proving" that lovers are in the minority, or at least less of a majority than is otherwise reported in mainstream media. I've voiced in the weaponinzing thread that I do not like this line of thinking, as I see it as divisive and non-productive, but obviously people on both sides find this topic fascinating and can't help but engaging in it.

    This thread could possibly have benefited from a poll to make the "information" slightly clearer.
     
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    I saw both films twice in the cinema and love them both. Solo, however, is a lot smaller in scale and is much less 'important' to the franchise's overall story and character. If you don't see TLJ, or even RO, you lose out on stuff, but not so much with Solo. Solo is icing and added flavor, but also the least 'nutricious' of the films. That, and the timing & marketing wasn't the best.

    Solo is fantastic, and Alden's portrial of the title role is surprisingly strong (who would've thought Alden Ehrenreich could steal the show from Donald Glover?!), but it is a film for the franchise's fans mostly and less so (apart from the stellar cast) for average moviegoers.
     
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    loved TLJ, saw Solo.
    but i have quite a few friends who are casual fans, who like the ST (including TLJ), but didn't go see Solo.

    some of the reasons:
    • recasting Harrison Ford = less enthusiasm
    • general apathy for non-ST Star Wars films
    • fear of not understanding the timeline/characters (intimidation about the Star Wars universe outside of the saga films)
     
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    The only member of my family who saw and liked TLJ but didn't see Solo was my mum. She's not really into Star Wars and went to see TLJ with me and my dad because at that time my sister was busy and had to prepare for a biology test. My sister saw TLJ but a day earlier (and Solo for that matter.)
     
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    Loved TLJ and obviously went to see Solo. But I know there are some casual fans who don't feel as excited by spin-offs, because they are more interested in the main storyline (the Saga). A lot of them probably end up going to see standalones anyway, but I guess some don't. Personally, I just don't get how even a casual SW fan could skip any SW movie. ;) Aside from situations like health issues or financial problems, of course. That's understandable. "Had no time" is a poor excuse, though. :p They screen movies for months!
     
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    Let's go with your premise. It was regular movie-goers that sunk SOLO. They opted to see R1 - why?
     
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    An interesting premise but not mine. To restate, I believe there are as many long-standing SW fans that loved TLJ as those that hated it. I am trying to work my way through who didn't show up for SOLO and what actually impacted the Box Office Numbers.

    This is not about which crowd is the largest, there isn't a 1-to-1 relationship between box office numbers and fans. A number of long standing fans go to see movies multiple times in theater if they like it. It could be that most people who saw the movie once liked it, while most of those who would have seen it multiple times hated it. That's 1 scenario. There's any number of ways we end up with SOLO getting drubbed at the Box Office.

    But few of those ways seem to align to the reasons offered (fatigue, timing, competition). So mostly I'm just wondering, who didn't show up. I doubt it was the TLJ lovers that didn't show up. If not them, then who, and why?
     
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    I saw it. True fan or not? I don't know. But imo SW is part of our cinematic culture; it's cult.
    The moment they announce a SW film on big screen, I have to see it. Point.
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    I think R1was "early enough". The enthusiasm about the returning SW franchise was fresh. People were nosy what the standalones would look like AND it was a decembre movie.
    The weather was perfect this may. It was "summer-time". People went outside, riding their bikes, going for a swim and things like that.
    It would have done better in winter (also more time for marketing).
     
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    RO also has that sweet connection to ANH, which makes it "count" in the SW franchise a lot more than Solo. RO informs ANH, giving more context and flavor to that original master piece, while Solo is "just" a great stand-alone SW film.
     
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    Second Star Wars movie after the tidal wave that was TFA.
    It didn't have the drama surrounding it the way Solo did, losing the director mid-shoot.
    Story was about things people wanted to see. "Hey yeah, how did they know about that exhaust port so conveniently?"

    Solo was the 4th Star War in as many years.
    It was surrounded by drama.
    Not a lot of people wanted it and it was never going to hook the GA short of being exceptional.
     
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    This is where I'm at... most of the hardcore fans I interact with are online. I know a lot of Star Wars fans, but they're mostly casual. Most of them liked The Last Jedi and most of them didn't go see Solo.

    I went to see TFA 4+ times when it came out. Saw Rogue One/TLJ/Solo twice. I probably won't see a Star Wars film more than two times.
     
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    Loved TLJ and saw Solo in the cinema.
    Just saw Solo once because was the weakest SW Disney movie so far.
    TFA and TLJ I saw 5 times and RO twice.
     
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    I saw SOLO 3 times in the cuinema because I only got to see R1 once & TLJ twice due to personal circumstances
    But the weather in the U.K. was fantastic when the film cameour so I can definitely see that effecting the BO as families would want to make the most of it (Though it turned out that the good weather actually lasted but we didn’t know that at the time) as I side note out of the 4 friends who I go to the cinema with I liked TLJ the most while ( they all have difrent why they don’t particularly like NOT HATE TLJ) they actually prefer both R1 & SOLO.
     
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    Maybe the premise of Rogue One just appeared more interesting to people than that of Solo. When R1 was being advertised a while back, people I knew generally wanted to see it because they thought it would be a gritty war-film set in the Star Wars universe---a premise that even to casual audiences probably holds a lot of promise. It was something of an untold story, fertile ground for new characters and interpretation of a scenario set before ANH.

    But with Solo, I don't think it's a leap to say that the tone is drastically different than that of R1---the trailers and marketing material really gave off something more akin to a comedic space-adventure romp than anything else. Now, mind you, that's not an unappealing premise for most people if the popularity for films like Guardians of the Galaxy are any indication (I even had friends who compared the early Solo trailers to GoG), but reactions to this tone for a Han Solo film seemed to indicate that this wasn't what people wanted. Generally, casual people I talk remark more about how much they find appeal in the "cool factor" in Harrison Ford's Han Solo, not in his ability to be a source of comedy. Not to mention, that unlike R1 which was centered around a set of brand new characters in a scenario we didn't really have a lot of info on, Solo was just a live-action playout of things we already knew in bulk: The Kessel Run, Han acquiring the Falcon, meeting Lando, etc....we know the outcome of many of these things already, and the film trailers didn't really look like they were indicating any wholly-surprising reasons for all of these known facts about Han's life to occur. R1, at the very least, answers the very broad and far more open question of: "How did the Death Star plans get stolen?" That generally leaves more room for surprises and new scenarios that the audiences can't predict or would find appealing to see. And this last factor may be a bit personal and anecdotal, but most of the people I knew who didn't see the film--regular movie-goers, not fans, mind you--waved off the film as non-essential simply because: "Han died a pretty shrug-worthy death in TFA. Making this golden-age film of him in his early days growing into a smuggler in his prime is kind of pointless after that movie." This, again, was a problem that R1 didn't suffer from, because aside from re-hashing the same era and conflict, TFA didn't really neuter any concepts or characters that R1 was planning to showcase in full.

    This is all in addition to what others have stated about jaded attitudes towards the brand following TLJ and the lack of enthusiasm towards the actor playing Han---the key ingredient to making a 2-hour origin story on Han Solo win over audiences. Most of this is highly-unprofessional and purely unanecdotal conjecture on my part, and is in no way concrete evidence of why Solo bombed.

    We only know that Solo bombed. But given how assessing attitudes towards a film is generally difficult when so few people went out to see it, we can only speculate as to why people let Solo bomb.
     
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    I liked TLJ (not as much as I liked TFA) and saw it 3 times in cinema. I saw Solo once in the cinema (fist time ever I have fallen asleep during a SW movie in the cinema, I’m ashamed to admit... :(). I saw Solo again recently and still feel it’s not my thing... However, there is a good story there somewhere and hope that the Kasdans find it in Solo 2 ( if it ever happens).

    My family, all casual fans, are only excited for the saga movies. They all loved TLJ. They enjoyed Solo but found it pretty forgettable.
     
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