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How many of you who enjoyed TLJ went to see SOLO?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Rayjefury, Oct 7, 2018.

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    I actually fell asleep in for a few minutes the 2nd time I saw it. So don't take it too hard.
     
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    For me, the Kessel run did it... Funny, I always thought it was the “castle” run.
     
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    I loved TLJ. Went to see Solo on opening night because its Star Wars. Im not going to miss it, haven't since 1977 :)
     
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    I will continue to say that boycott is the wrong word to use for the Solo Box Office numbers, as momentum is the better choice. Rogue One rode the momentum of TFA goodwill and overperformed at the Box Office (I'm sure Disney never envisioned it to make a Billion Dollars), while Solo rode the TLJ displeasure from a segment of the fanbase and underperformed at the Box Office (Hindsight is 20/20 but nobody predicted it to bomb back in May).

    I say this because I was skeptical about Rogue One and Solo as I felt we really didn't need standalone movies. I saw R1 on opening weekend, simply because I loved TFA so I was very bullish on Disney SW. I didn't see Solo til a month after it opened (my best friend pretty much forced me and payed for my ticket) because I was down on Disney SW after TLJ.

    The irony is that I love the Standalone movies now more then the Saga movies simply because they stand on their own. The Saga movies (including the PT) are forced to tie with 4,5,6 narrative, that it limits their storytelling. The Standalone movies (while still tied to 4,5,6) have a freedom to tell their own story. R1 is a War movie that just happens to take place in the context of inflitrating the Death Star. Solo is a heist movie, that just happens to take place showing the character arc of Han Solo. The Saga movies keep retreading the same stories/themes of turning to the darkside, redeeming back to the light, the Resistance, the Empire, The First Order, that it is just getting old at this point.
     
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    I loved the Last Jedi.

    Solo did nothing for me. I wasn't excited to see it. I left the theater underwhelmed.

    The Last Jedi haters love to place the blame for the failure of the film squarely on TLJ's shoulders.
    But they flat out ignore the fact that there was no real enthusiasm for this film before TLJ even came out. The idea of replacing Harrison Ford with an unknown actor who neither looked or sounded like Harrison Ford was a big turn off. The trailers did nothing to generate excitement for the film, the drama over the firing of Lord and Miller fueled rumors that the film was a huge bomb. The final film wasn't good enough to generate any real positive word of mouth.
     
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    Same here, my Bff liked TLJ, but she didn't go see Solo. What I find interesting is, that although she claims that she really liked TLJ, she didn't go see it multiple times like TFA or Rogue One for example.
     
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    I think this thread is not for me because I didn't really enjoyed TLJ :D But here I am... Excuse my intromission.

    Not a fan of TLJ (5/10 for me) but I was on the first line at Solo premiere. Jesus, why not? Too much elements to go to see it: SW, Howard, Chewie, Millennium Falcon, Alden, Woody, Western Scifi... Went to cinema three times. Have seen two times at home. Never get tired. Every time grows on me. I will enjoy it for the rest of my life.
     
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    I don't know how anyone could fall asleep in a theater, cause I can't.
     
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    Do I get a bonus point for having a quick doze during a IMAX viewing of TFA :p.
     
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    Story as old as time though. Moral choices. Without it SW feels slightly empty IMO.
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    Hshaha my chikdren say the same!

    You must be young ;)
     
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    Well I'm 25... but still.
     
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    I fell asleep during Reservoir Dogs.

    Woke up shortly before the end feeling slightly confused about what was happening. I mean, I knew Tarantino was fond of a non-linear narrative but this seemed a bit much. Then the credits rolled and it dawned on me that I'd dozed off at some point.

    Girlfriend woke up around the same time as me so she was no help at explaining what happened.

    I should add that a few drinks had been consumed before going to the cinema.
     
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    No doubt it worked for the first 2 Trilogies, but did we really need a 3rd Trilogy with that same theme? It's the same reason we don't have Back to the Future Part 7, as we don't need to see Marty go back in time or in the future to find Doc Brown for the umpteenth time. I say this as a person who enjoys the ST movies, but the story has alot of 'been there done that' and that is probably it's biggest flaw. Solo and Rogue One atleast explore new stories, especially Solo exploring the underground world. And I'm sure it would have explored it deeper had there been sequels.
     
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    you get a porg for that. XD
    the only movie i've ever fallen asleep at was LOTR. the second one for sure. think the third one also; i honestly don't remember.
     
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    I get why your friend may be doing that... I personally think that although TLJ is perhaps a better film with regards to depth and character development, TFA is better directed and, as a whole, a more pleasurable experience for the audience. Maybe that is because of all the possibilities it offered... It posed interesting questions (those “mystery boxes” many hate so much but that I love). If you ask me I think RJ was in too much of a rush to answer all these questions... (That’s a problem TLJ had for me).

    As for R1, I don’t know, i never felt the characters were engaging, but as it had the same style as INH i suppose many people found it comforting to watch.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 8, 2018, Original Post Date: Oct 8, 2018 ---
    I raised my case! I’m 51 :)

    Although I admit I do have a tendency to snooze
    In the cinema more than other people... :D it’s usually during action, noisy parts, car chases, long drawn out battles, the more noise the more tired I get. My son finds it hilarious.
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    Well, the idea was to introduce SW to a new generation with fresh new characters rediscovering old characters and themes, the fight between good and evil. Solo’s underworld is cool but I find it very marginal. For me there is nothing like a story with a good moral structure and different explorations of what makes a good or bad person. That’s why for me the best part of Solo is finding out quira’s connection to Darth maul and that there is more to her than meets the eye.

    Back to the future? Not the same. Those films were just about the premise. SW and the moral tales of the saga are much more than a simple template.
     
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    BTTF had a lot of subtle themes in there, especially in the first one. The theme of the Trilogy is essentially that your future is not written, which has a lot to do with how people perceive fate and how they feel their lives will turn out sometimes. How many of us look back at when we were 18 years old and what we thought our lives would be, and what it is now? The first movie is also about how we have perceptions of our parents that are TOTALLY wrong and that they were teenagers just like we were. How would we fit in if we grew up with our parents? I think you are really shortchanging BTTF movies as time travel is just a plot device for a more layered story. But my point about BTTF part 7 is that eventually the story starts to repeat itself, and it did by the 3rd movie.

    If the ST turns out to be essentially introducing SW to a new generation with fresh characters, using old themes and messing with the old characters (Calling them 7,8,9), then that tells me they wanted to have their cake and it too for one reason: $$$$. They could have easily left out 7,8,9 and just used the new characters, and it would have given them the freedom to tell a more original story. I think the Kylo Ren/Rey stuff in TLJ is the most interesting narrative of the new movies, but it gets overshadowed by Luke's arc.

    As for Solo, I don't think it's fair to judge his character arc/development because it was clearly set up for a Trilogy, that probably won't happen now. They were clearly setting it up for him becoming more cynical after Beckett and Qu'ra betray him (which I'm sure would be explored in the next Solo movie). It would be no different then if Episode 1 didn't not have Episode 2 and 3, and you said that Anakin's character arc wasn't complete.
     
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    This is kind of what I think. For me it is a bit counter-intuitive to see some of the explanations for SOLO's performance that seem to take aim at the quality of the movie, it's marketing/PR, and timing. I think if SOLO had followed TFA, it would have soared in spite of what are cited as the issues with the movie now. Similarly I think R1 would have floundered following TLJ and instead of talking about how good a movie it was (and it was) we would be hearing speculation as to why the fans were unenthusiastic about it. I mean some of these explanations seem plausible and probably had an impact but (IMO) none of them rise to the level of SOLO's under performance. I'm sure there was some faulty wiring somewhere on the Titantic too but what sunk it was the ice berg.

    Whether you hated or loved TLJ, I don't think any of us expected the stand-alones to perform at the same level as the Episodic movies. But I haven't heard a single credible theory (and bear in mind that this is just my opinion) that explains the more than 600 million dollar difference in performance at the Box Office between R1 and SOLO.

    600 - million - dollars - difference.

    That's not fatigue, that's not timing, that's not mid-stream director changes, that's not recasting. What hit SOLO was a head wind that had nothing to do with the actual movie (IMO). I think there's been a reluctance to admit that TLJ dragged SOLO because it implies that "boycotters" have power. That would be a bad read IMO. Momentum has power. And we all (those who loved it and those who hated it) have the ability to impact momentum. 1,000 people sitting out the movie is nothing. 1,000 people enthusiastically posting draconian reviews about your movie IS a problem and could definitely have a multiplicative effect.

    If we long standing fans like the movie and are unified in that like, we create great buzz for any emerging projects and create a sort of social gravitational pull for casual fans go see it. We are, part of SW hype machine. No one group has more power or influence than the other (among long standing fans). It's when we're this angrily divided that there is no gravitational pull to suck in casual viewers, no buzz, no hype. No reason for a casual fan to say, "why are people so excited about this movie? I have to go see it too". I think some in LFL and Rian may have missed the mark in terms of the level and quality of their "fan engagement". It turns out, you DO actually have to consider them among other variables in your equation when making a movie. (emphasis on: among other variables)
     
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    I saw TFA and TLJ twice each in the theatre, R1 three times and Solo the once. I like both the ST films so far, though I have some issues/misgivings with TLJ it doesn't stop the overall enjoyment. Rogue One is my most rewatched by a country mile.

    I have to admit I was somewhat apathetic to a Solo origin story as Ford's incarnation, alongside Indy were the two biggest screen heroes of my childhood and I took a while to reconcile that - despite the trailers and my intrigue with Glover's young Calrissian. It finally took my daughter giving me a kicking and a "When are we going to see Solo, Dad?" before I went and by then it was in it's last days of showing locally.

    It's a little like @Angelman said earlier, it's a kind of garnish movie - seeing or not seeing it neither adds to nor detracts from the rest of the franchise's cinematic stories, but for all that it's enjoyable fun and got it's second home viewing since release over the weekend.
     
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    I enjoyed BTTF and did not see any of the reboots. I remember the concept well in that first film, and that it was sweet and engaging, but, for me, it does not have the thematic depth of SW. Children getting in the middle of their parents starting to date hasn’t got the same mileage as children finding out their place in a world with extreme conflict. Both franchises are pure entertainment but any SW film just goes that bit deeper. I can’t see how another BTTF film, with the same theme as the first one, could be interesting for a second time... but I might be wrong. This could be a great reason for me to watch BTTF 1 and 2 and see if they bring something deeper than the first one.
    I think they were right in having their cake and eat it. The old characters helped to frame the new characters in the story. It was a great idea. I thought also that the Rey/ kylo dynamic overshadowed everything else, but seeing kylo not being able to kill his mother, and her being Leia, was a sound emotional beat by RJ. Also, that last moment between Luke and Leia felt very special too. Luke was used in a very interesting way in TLJ. RJ decided to favour characterisation over fan service and that was a good thing, I think.

    As for Solo, I agree. There is a good story there, I’m sure. I just can’t see it just yet. Han was always appealing because of the self serving antics of his mind in conflict with the good in his heart, which always made him come back to help the good guys. JJ and Kasdan made Kylo Ren’s conflict oddly similar to Han’s in that respect, although taking a more philosophical, introspective angle. Kylo’s mind pulls to the dark while his heart pulls to the light.
     
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    I enjoyed Solo way more than The Last Jedi. Im biased tho as Han is my favorite character
     
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