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SPECULATION How much interval between TLJ and Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Walt, Feb 24, 2018.

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How many years should be the interval between TLJ and Episode IX?

Poll closed Sep 24, 2018.
  1. 0. Same as between TFA and TLJ.

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    5.6%
  2. 2. Same as the time between the opening of TLJ and Episode IX

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  3. 3. Same as the standard interval in the original trilogy.

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  4. 5-6. Brand new interval

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  5. 10. Same as maximum interval to date (between TPH and AOTC)

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    22.2%
  1. Darth Walt

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    How much time will pass between the events of The Last Jedi and Episode IX?
    Will it be a known interval or a brand new one?

    Their release dates are separated by two years, but Episode IX story may pick any time after. I highly doubt it would pick up right after. I think the ending of The Force Awaken was unique with such dramatic cliffhanger that a no-interval was the best continuation. The ending of The Last Jedi left us with so many events to digest: Luke's death, Snoke's death, a Resistance reborn, a First Order with broken hierarchy, a broken lightsaber, old Jedi books, Finn+Rose, Poe meeting Rey, and of course that young force-sensitive child at the end.

    The maximum interval seen so far was 10 years, between Episodes I and II. Many actors who aged 3 years ended up playing roles that aged 10.

    My guess is that this is going to be a new interval. Probably 5-6 years. We know Leia's character won't appear even in digital form. So, most likely, our beloved Princess/General would die off-screen and it should be an event slightly in the past as of Episode IX, where new leadership is in place. Poe will not longer be the hot-head pilot, but a senior-level leader, perhaps a new general. (Lando and Han became by the time of the Battle of Endor). Finn may be a captain in the resistance; and Rey could be already a full Jedi Knight, taking the young boy (who would be a teenager by then) as her padawan apprentice.

    Would like to hear your predictions.
     
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    I'll say this. If it's a "few days" then it will be worse then TLJ.
     
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    It should be about 6 months to 2 years. The more the better.
     
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    1-2 years. The sequel trilogy desperately needs some time to breathe.
     
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    I would say at least 10.
    Right now there is no Resistance. Or only 25 of them. So I would wager 10+ until the broom kids generation grows up, Kylo Ren gets established as the New Supreme Leader and finds better control of his emmotions to make him more admirable opponent, the new legend of Luke spreads accross the galaxy and Rey gets to her mature and more appropriate child barring age.
     
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    Depends on what kind of story they are trying to tell. If it's rather similar to the events of TFA/TLJ (i.e: Resistance vs FO) than 1-2 years maximum. If they try to set up some radically different scenario (i.e: The New Republic is also affected) than longer.
     
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    I was tempted to choose either 10 years or 5-6 years. I chose 5-6 because ten seems to long. There definitly needs to be a few years so the characters can grow and Rey can learn more about the Jedi and the Force.
     
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    10 is far too long in my opinion. There's more than just the story to take into consideration here, there's also the cast.

    I know you mentioned that they did it in Episodes 1 and 2 but the difference there was that both Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman (I'm only using these two as an example because I think they were the only ones who fell into that "crucial" age range) were both older than the characters they were portraying. Natalie Portman was a 17 year old portraying a 14 year old, Ewan McGregor was a 27 year old portraying a 19 year old. By the time Episode 2 rolled around, Natalie and Ewan were both a similar age to their characters, in Ewan's case, he was almost the exact same age as Obi-Wan would be at that time. And the casting was purposely done that way, if Ewan couldn't pass as a 19 year old, he probably wouldn't have been cast to play Obi-Wan, luckily he could.

    NOW... bare with me, because I'm about to contradict myself.

    Due to the lack of a time jump between TFA and TLJ... Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and the rest of the cast that fall into that age range of late teens to early/mid 20's are technically playing characters that are younger than them, but...

    Daisy Ridley is 25, compared to 19-20 year old Rey... but Daisy doesn't look her age, she could pass as a 20-21 year old, at least in my opinion.
    John Boyega is also 25 compared to a 23 year old Finn. I think you're asking a lot to age John Boyega to 33-34 though, and even Daisy Ridley to 30, I don't think they were cast with the idea that they'd have to be aged nearly a decade. Even with the technology available and make up, I don't know how believable it'll be.

    When TLJ first came out, I was thinking we'd see a five year jump for 9, but the more time goes on, the less likely I think that is. The resistance needs to rebuild, obviously, and that's going to take some amount of time but while they're doing that, there's no one to oppose The First Order, meaning they can do whatever they want without anybody stopping them. I can't see the resistance going dormant for an extended period of time and just letting that happen.
     
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    NP just barley turned 16 when she played 14yo PadmÄ—. Ewan was 26 playing 28 not 19. Filming was June of 1997.

    Obi was 36 in AOTC. 39 in ROTS. 58 in ANH.
     
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    Well I certainly messed that one up :/
     
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    So far there is no story to tell, no resistance, no Jedi, no real bad guys, no compelling characters left. Move all of this as far into the future as possible.
     
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    Isn't it funny how we don't have the slightest idea how long the interval between VIII and IX is going to be? Shows you how bad the buildup leading to the finale of the trilogy is. I wonder what other other movie and book series would look like if they had this "genius" blank slate approach.

    Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
    - Harry, shouldn't we destroy all Horcruxes and finish Voldemort for good?
    - Nah Hermione, already did that last year, remember? I'm sure though a new thread will rise in 1 to 15 years or so..."

    The Lord of the Rings, the Two Towers
    - Master Frodo, we need to reach Mount Doom and destroy the ring once and for all!
    - Don't worry Sam, the Ring is already destroyed, Aragorn is King of Gondor and Gollum no longer with us. Lets take a break until evil rises again. Eventually...
     
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    did we have any idea what the time jump would be between ANH and ESB? between ESB and RoTJ?
    how does being able to predict a time jump say anything about the quality of a film's "build up"?

    and your examples don't even support that.
    you're basically suggesting nothing was left unfinished.
    as if the meager Rebellion doesn't still have an entire FO to bring down.
    as if the failures of the OT heroes have all been reconciled.
    as if Rey lifts a bunch of rocks and that's fait accompli?
     
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    That's pretty simple. ANH left with a blank slate due to the fact that they didn't know if the movie would be a success or not. They had to wrap up most of plotthreads in ANH. The same can not be said about the Disney era movies. They were always intended as a trilogy.

    As for ESB: we knew that Leia and Luke needed to save Han, we knew that Luke would have to finish his training and confront his father. There were some pressing issues that allowed audiences to estimate, that ROTJ would take place relatively shortly after ESB. This is not the case with TLJ at all. For standalone movies and filler episodes this is perfectly fine. For a connected trilogy it is not. SW is not James Bond or Transformers or Jurassic Park where the story resets after every adventure.
     
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    but it didn't reset. we know the Rebellion has to go find reinforcements.
    we know Hux is going to plot to unseat REN asap.
    we know the FO is going to continue to take over all systems until the Rebellion can come back at them.

    and i still can't figure out the formula for ANH to ESB = x years.
    and actually i would have thought the jump between ESB and RoTJ would have been far shorter.

    so...still don't get your point about the build up is bad because we don't know what the time jump will be.
    especially since (above) people seem to have some fairly reasonable ideas that it could be anywhere between 6 months to a couple of years (in order to the Rebs back on their feet). if they can rally the folks in the Outer Rim and others, it doesn't have to take too long, but if they want to open with a more balanced fight, they can make it longer. [shrug]
     
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    As for you examples what I mean with reset is:
    Kylo and Rey had physical confrontations in every single movie so far. Like in a Kids show, hero and villain regularly meet, they don't manage to fully defeat their opponent, they get seperated, repeat...

    Another example:
    TFA. The First Order is bad (no reason given why, they're just bad), they don't follow a certain goal. Their leader is Snoke, whose intentions we know nothing about. The resistence is small but full of hope. TLJ: The First Order is bad (no reason given why, they're just bad), they don't follow a certain goal. Their leader is Snoke, whose intentions we know nothing about. The resistence is small but full of hope. IX: The First Order is bad (no reason given why, they're just bad), they don't follow a certain goal. Their leader is Snoke (sry Kylo), whose intentions we know nothing about (now that Luke and Snoke are gone). The resistence is (even) small(er) but full of hope.

    If you look at any succesful trilogy you will able to identify a certain goal that needs to be achieved over the course of the books/movies. This is not the case in the ST. Tell me for example how are Rey and Kylo going to interact in IX? How does our hero feel towards our villain? The most important character dynamic in the ST is reset to 0 again. Rey leaves Kylo to die on starkiller base, then wants to save him in TLJ, then leaves him to die on the Supremacy, in IX she will probably try to save him again....

    I dislike the arbitrary time interval because it highlights the lack of a specific objective that carried over from TLJ to IX. The clashing visions of RJ and JJ are pretty obious after TLJ.
     
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    i guess this is perceptual.

    TFA: the FO is a junta that wants to bring Order to the galaxy, which they think the Republic has failed to do (also the issue of feeling they were robbed of their birthright, but we can leave that off the table if you don't like the EU).
    Snoke was a macguffin ~ he was always a macguffin, so it was always a matter of who or what was behind the curtain.
    Resistence small and full of hope? check.

    TLJ: the FO has now exceeded its original scope post-Hosnia and is gobbling up the galaxy, pressed by Snoke. even with the loss of SKB, it's no longer a minor concern, but a full-blown threat.
    Snoke is dead and Ren succeeds him even though we know Snoke had a singular focus and that Ren Ben is confused and conflicted.
    Ren's idea of "Order" is not going to jive with the FO as it stands. that's a major fracture point right there and we see it start to play out on Crait.
    the Resistance is decimated. yes, they are given hope at the end, but they are now crippled and left to try to build.

    as for Ren and Rey. they fought against each other, then they fought together.
    then they disagreed on what to do with their mutual victory.

    maybe this all feels like rinse and repeat to you, but to many others these are significant developments that completely alter the dynamic between Rey and Ben, between the Rebels and the FO, between Ren and the FO, between the FO and the galaxy.
     
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    I think 2-3 years is a fair assessment: the Resistance needs to be build up basically from ground up, but Resistance should have easier time rounding up the backup, because the galaxy lived in peace for a while and FO disturbed that, Leia's beliefs (that FO is a threat) proved true and Luke provided the Legend to give hope to the galaxy. Additionally, out heroes (and a villain) need to grow into their roles: Poe as a leader, Finn as a point man/leader in the field, Rey as a Jedi, Kylo as Supreme Leader. The opening crawl will give us the understanding of state of the galaxy/where they all are at the time of opening ans launch us into the story. So, similar to ANH to ESB or AOTC to ROTS jumps.
     
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    Exactly. The break will be long enough to allow the Resistance to defeat the First Order (it's unavoidable,) but not too long, because the actors won't have enough time to age between the shoots for an interval longer than five years.
     
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    I guess it really is perceptual.


    For example, to me the FO in TFA was not a "minor concern" in TFA. I mean they blew up a complete starsystem in the blink of an eye! Not even the Empire could do that. If they were some crime syndicate in TFA establishing themselves as the most powerful force in the Galaxy I would see your point. But they are already a "full-blown threat" in TFA based on their destructive power. They spread without much resistance in TFA and they simply continue to do so in TLJ. So to me they aren't less of a thread in TFA than they are in TLJ.

    Another example "Ren's idea of "Order" is not going to jive with the FO as it stands." What exactly is the jive of the FO as it stands? They get so little background based on the movies alone that we can only assume that the FO unconditionally serves the goals of the Supreme Leader. Snoke had no goals other than the standard "conquer the galaxy because that's what bad guys do". So unless Kylo decides to become a pacifist I don't see how the goals of the FO would change. It's still conquer the galaxy. Only in the name of Kylor ather than Snoke
     
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