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Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by metadude, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. metadude

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    Anyone know if these questions of ages is addressed in canon? Specifically, how old are both Ben and Rey at the start of TFA? How old was Ben when he turned to the dark side? And how old is little "come back" Rey in the TFA vision?
     
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    Well, in TFA Rey is 19 and Kylo Ren is 29. That seems to be it at the moment. The other dates aren't specified yet.
     
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    Ben was about 23-24 when he turned. it's very likely been six years since, and he's 29 or 30 now.
    this is based on speculation driven by the novel Bloodline. could be mushy by a year or so.
     
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    Yes, Bloodline is set six years before TFA and we are presuming that the revelation that Vader was Ben's grandfather played a part in his turn. At the very least, it gave Snoke ammunition to turn him against his family. That probably didn't happen instantly and we know Luke gave him the last push, so your calculation is correct. I'd say it is more likely that some time passed, so I would say he was probably 24 when he turned.

    But, we won't know exactly until we get more info. Probably book.
     
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    I'm only familiar with the movies, so I have to ask about the other forms of media; is the proverbial math of this speculation based solely on the fact that it had been six years prior when it was revealed to the - was it the general public, or, specifically to Ben? - that Vader was Ben's grandfather? Is the reasoning basically:

    1. Ben is 29 at the start of TFA
    2. Vader was revealed to be Anakin Skywalker six years prior
    3. Speculation: Ben turned to the dark side when he found out that Vader was his grandfather
    Therefore speculatively Ben was 23 when he turned to the dark side

    Looking at the wiki article Jack linked, it says something about Snoke being active in Ben's life in his "late teens" I'm wondering from where that info is coming. Is it possible Ben is about 18ish when it went bad between Luke and Ben as shown in TLJ? Not meaning, is it a fact but, is there any information that would rule it out as possible.

    I'm just entertaining hypotheses about EPIX in my mind, and seeing if there's any information that falsifies them.
     
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    the few bits of the eu that show us young Ben seem to indicate that there's something wrong with him pretty much from the womb.
    Luke assures Leia it's normal when he's born, but we've yet to see baby Ben not plagued by nightmares.
    ironically, Leia seems totally clueless about Ben's internal state in Bloodline, though it is clear that neither she nor Han seem to understand him or connect with him.

    the incident with the jedi students could have happened in his teens, but it would mean he and Leia were out of contact for many years, which seems unlikely.
    the only thing we know for certain is that Leia and Han did not break up until after they found out Ben went Dark, and that Leia and Han are still together in Bloodline, which (as mentioned) is six years prior to TFA, and both assume he's safe with Luke.

    we don't know when or how Ben finds out about Vader.

    one last potential clue is the Phasma novel, the timeline of which is rather messy, but we do get a sense that the "present" storyline (as opposed to the flashbacks) takes place relatively close to TFA, and that the flashbacks seem to indicate that Phasma has also only joined the First Order within the last 6-7 years and that Kylo Ren is a pretty new fixture among them. i don't put much stock in this one since the book is kind of a mess. : o p
     
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    The timeline of Ben's turn is speculation based on the information presented in the rest of the canon. None of this is 100% fact.

    1. As @FN-3263827 said, in Bloodline we are told that Ben doesn't know that Vader was his grandfather. When that is revealed to everyone, Leia sends him a message hoping that it will reach him before he finds out from someone else.We get the impression that, while the contact with Luke and Ben is not regular due to their travels across the galaxy, the contact is there so she would know if something major happened. Han and Leia are also still together and their relationship is strong. While they are often separated by their jobs for longer periods of time, when Leia needs him, Han drops everything to come to her side. I can't see a scenario in which Luke hides Ben's turn from Leia and Han for years.

    2. We also know that one of the reasons Ben was sent to Luke are problems he had in his early teens - things flying from shells when he was angry and so on - and Han and Leia didn't know how to deal with that.

    Personally, I don't buy into 'Snoke influenced him from birth' theory which was based on details from Aftermath series. Leia feels the dark streak in her unborn son and is afraid. Luke explains to her that the dark exists in everyone - brighter the light, more prominent the dark - which goes with everything ST told us so far ("powerful light, powerful dark", "dark rises and the light to meet it"). Leia also dreams about dark hands reaching for her son, which those who prescribe to this theory believe to be Snoke. I, on the other hand, see mother's natural fear for her son and Leia's Skywalker blood speaking to her, giving her the premonition of the future.

    My impression is that Ben's own problems (feeling neglected and misunderstood) were fertile ground for Snoke and that Vader revelation only helped him allowing him to paint Ben's family as liars. In Bloodline, the existence of the First Order and their machinations in the known galaxy are also revealed to Leia for the first time which incites her to form the Resistance. I believe that while the First Order influence is spreading, so does Snoke's influence on Ben.

    3. As to your question, there is no information that would outright rule out your theory, however that theory would mean that Luke was hiding Ben's turn from Han and Leia for at least five years and that is highly improbable.

    I see timeline like this: Ben goes through troubled puberty due to feeling neglected and his waking powers, Leia and Han send him to Luke possibly making him feeling unwanted, Snoke pounces and starts influencing him, Vader reveal broadens the gulf between Ben and his family and helps that influence, Luke starts suspecting that something is wrong with him, looks into his mind and gives him the final push to the Dark Side.

    But, like we all said, this is all speculation.
     
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    He should have turned with 23, mainly because 23 is a pretty important age in the SW Universe:
    - Anakin turned with 23
    - Luke resisted the dark side with 23
    - Leia was 23 when she got impregnant with Ben xD
    - Finn was 23 when he left the FO

    So Ben needs to be 23 when he becomes Kylo Ren. Furthermore EPIX should have a time jump of at least 3 years because Rey would be 23 then. Haha!
     
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    Oh my God! You are right!
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    True 23 was the ages for Anakin and Luke, It would make sense for it to occur at the same age for all Skywalkers.

    From the information we have all stated on here we are claiming the following as fact

    5 ABY - Ben was born with strong light and dark. Luke confirms this to be natural
    ? ABY - The Darkness get worse as Ben gets older
    ? ABY - Han and Leia didn't know what to do with him as he got older and palmed him off on Luke.
    28 ABY - Vader's identity is revealed to the public and presumably Ben as well
    34 ABY - THE FORCE AWAKENS

    from all of this all we can say is that Ben's final turn happened sometime between 28 ABY and 34 ABY

    The Age 23 or 24 are good theories given these are close to the same age Luke and Anakin were when they faced there trial with the Dark Side. As well as the fact that Kylo Ren is mentioned in Phasma which takes place at least 6 months to maybe a year after bloodline. As it fair to say his turn occurred when he was 23 or 24 this information hasn't been formally divulged to us... This is simply the best idea we have at the moment, which I'd say is pretty close

    As for Rey I believe it was stated at some point (I think Daisy Ridley stated it in an interview) that Rey was 5 when she was abandoned. this would have taken place 20 ABY.... approximately 8+ years before Ben Solo turned to the Dark Side

    Birth Years
    Ben Solo = 5 ABY
    Rey = 15 ABY

    28 ABY
    Ben = 23
    Rey = 13

    Also side note there is a decade in between them. IMO that's a little bit large of an age gap for Reylo to be a thing. All though I don't believe it rules it out, I'm just saying.
     
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    Well, Han is also 10 years older than Leia. Coincidence? I don't think so! Btw age doesn't matter.
     
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    there's a 10 year age gap between Han and Leia. [shrug]

    edit: @NinjaRen, i typed too slow. XD
     
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    I think it's even bigger in the current canon. Or is it? I don't know. Canon stories are a bit hazy in regards to Han's age.
     
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    You're right which is why I don;t discount it as a possibility... I have a niece that's 10 years younger than I am and so for me its weird... and I understand han and leia have a large age gap to so I understand my point is mute (I actually realized that right after I posted)... I was merely saying what I thought.
     
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    Well, if Rey and Kylo are revealed to be niece and uncle, then yeah, pretty weird.
     
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    What I mean is that personally for me when I find out that someone is 10 years younger than me I think oh jeez thats the same age as my niece.... and its weird for me.
     
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    I wonder what the age difference is between Rey and Finn.
     
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    Rey is four years younger.
     
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    These are the ages of all the important new characters in TFA (and probably TLJ):
    - Rey: 19
    - Finn: 23
    - Poe: 32
    - Kylo: 29
    - Hux: 34
     
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    be very interesting if there is a 4 yr gap between episodes 8 & 9.

    what age will that make Rey? :p
     
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