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How old were Ben and Rey when...

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by metadude, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. SuperBenKenobi1992

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    Rey would be 23.... the same age the both Luke and Anakin were in there final films.
     
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    it would be like poetry... :D
     
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    And your post has exactly 23 symbols... !!!!

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    Yeah it would be even more like poetry if Ben's turn was at 23 and if Rey was his sister or cousin... if she were Lukes daughter

    Anakin age 23 - succumbs to the darkside

    Luke and Leia age 23 - defeat the darkside

    Ben Age 23 - succumbs to darkside

    Rey Age 23 - defeats the darkside
     
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    Or joins the dark side ;D #BadEndingForTheWin
     
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    Thank you! I'm a real life person whose parents had a 32 year age gap, so it seems pretty unimportant where I'm sitting.
     
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    I wanted to chime in here and address something regarding Bloodline and the Sequel Trilogy:
    Ben's turn happened much closer to the events of The Force Awakens than 28 ABY (the year of the events chronicled in Bloodline); we don't know for sure how long after, but my personal speculation - which is informed by stuff that I've heard or seen members of the Lucasfilm Story Group say - is that Ben turned about 2 years after the events of Bloodline (in 30 ABY).
     
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    Bloodline takes place in 23 or 24 ABY.
    Phasma confirms that Ben joined the FO about 26 ABY.
    until we get a canon source that says otherwise, this is what we know.
     
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    EU stands for "extended universe".
    books are EU and they are canon, unless or until a movie contradicts them.
     
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    I'm not sure where you got these dates from, but they're Canonically inaccurate, as Bloodline takes place in 28 ABY.

    We know this because TFA and TLJ take place in 34 ABY (30 years after Return of the Jedi, which is set 4 years after A New Hope), and if you subtract 6 from 34 you end up with 28.
     
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    sorry; it's evidently way too early in the morning for me.
    i was muddling ABY with Ben's actual age.
    we're saying the same thing. : D
     
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    Ok.

    Question about the Phasma novel, though, in light of that: does it say that Ben turned when he was 26, then?

    Because that would even more closely dovetail with things that LSG members have said.
     
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    it strongly suggests it. the first timeline in the novel is set 12ABY.
    the second is a bit (probably intentionally) ambiguous, but within a year (two at most) on the cusp of TFA). it's suggested that Ren is new to the FO (he and Hux actually haven't started fighting yet and this may be one of their first interactions). it's not clear whether "new" means "six months new" or "12 months new", etc.

    either way, it still appears to put him joining at about age 25 or 26ish.
    i honestly don't trust Phasma too much as a source, but it's what we have so far.
     
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    Let's say for the sake of argument - in the absence of other evidence - that Ben is 26 when he turns; that would give us the following post-Endor timeline of important Sequel Trilogy events:
    * 5 ABY - Ben is born
    * 15 ABY - Rey is born
    * 28 ABY - The events of the novel Bloodline occur
    * 31 ABY - Ben falls to the Dark Side, Luke exiles himself to Ach-To, and Han and Leia separate
    * 34 ABY - The events of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi occur

    I had personally pegged Ben's turn as happening about 4 years before TFA and TLJ (around 32 ABY), but 3 years before actually works better.
     
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    Actually, that is not correct. That is how the old EU worked. Currently, all licensed Star Wars materials, books, comics etc...are just CANON. There is no Canon and EU, like their used to be. It is all IN Universe Star Wars material, and there is not "until a movie contradicts". The story group holds it together and makes sure it doesn't contradict. It can't because it is all governed by the Story Group.
     
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    ^ The term "EU" is still a perfectly valid way to describe the supplementary Canon material.
     
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    Actually this has already happened (and will likely continue to). The TFA novelization has Rey and Poe meet at the end of that book. Their meeting at the end of TLJ though is what’s now canon. The movies are primary. Everything else is secondary. If they conflict, the movies win.
    Technically. The previous EU was rebranded “legends”. So, yes, referring to the new ancillary products as ‘EU’ is valid, but . . . kind of confusing :)
     
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    I stand corrected.
    You'll never see the term EU used in an official capacity because it's not "expanded" universe. You cannot make Star Wars content that is not approved by the Story Group anymore, whereas before they would license it, but not have to hold to it. They won't license it anymore if it's not just-"Universe" aka Canon. And if you don't get licensed, Disney will sue your @ss, if you make money from it.
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    No, there is no such thing as supplementary canon material. It's all canonical. It's not expanded. There is no such thing. You can use it if you want, just like I can refer to myself as Obi-Wan Kenobi, it doesn't make it correct.
     
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    This sort of depends on how you interpret the word ‘extended’. If you’re personally defining it simply as a blanket term to refer to anything that’s not on the screen, then it still works. But since it used to mean something very specific within the franchise, it’s probably best to avoid. You know, to maybe evade silly semantic discussions like this :D
     
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