How Palpatine survived and his motives to stay hidden

Great point! I wonder if Obiwan said that to persuade Luke to stay. But, after Luke did go, why not help? I agree, says who and why not?

 

I’m not sure what Yoda did in TLJ and what Kenobi was talking about to Luke were the same thing. Kenobi said he could not help Luke in his fight against Vader. What Yoda did was not an act against someone. It was more an action to get Luke’s attention

 

Obi-Wan did sit on a tree log while talking to Luke in ROTJ, so technically he interacted with the physical environment.

 

Yoda was quick to burn the ancient books and laugh about it.

What makes Ghost-Yoda any different from Palpatine?

They both use lightning and cackle like madmen whenever the Legacy of the Jedi Order takes another hit.




/This post contains sarcasm.

Interfering with the physical realm, is interfering in the physical realm. Yoda took action to influence the living, Ben did not.... and now look....
Palpatine IS STILL ALIVE / wreaking MOAR havoc. I'm interested to see if TRoS touches on this....

Like a bump on a log.

 

Kenobi’s quote is not very specific. He just says

If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere.

That can be interpreted many different ways.

 

Yoda knew that the books were not in the tree. He knew that Rey already had them. That is why he said that she has all that she needs.

 

Dang. I forgot about that. I'll have to re-watch the movie, a third time.... night before I go see TRoS.

 

To be a little nerdy here, he also moved aside some vines to get to the log. So force ghosts can definitely interact with the physical world. How much or how often is a good question.

 

They're going to have to write this in well for me. I'm open-minded, but I just hope they explain in instead of expect us to accept his return without more information.

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I like your thoughts here. I was wondering that myself.

Also, Obiwan said to Vader "if you strike me down now, I will become even more powerful." Could the same be true of the dark side users? Just a thought.

 

They're not going to properly explain how Palpatine is still around, and personally I think it's better that way. Whatever answer they give will be unsatisfactory, so I'd rather they focus on what actually matters: what he's doing. Not everything in Star Wars needs to be explained, sometimes mystery is better.

Let's look at what's come before:

• We are given an explanation as to how one could be created via the force, but it is never outright stated whether Anakin was created by Plagueis, Palpatine, or just The Force.
• Maul survives due to his intense anger and hate for Kenobi, but we are never given an explanation as to what part of his training allows this.

No one complains about us not having concrete answers to these, so why do we need one for Palpatine?

 

Pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that FG are learning more and getting stronger just as much as living force users are

 

With since

With sincere respect, I disagree.

While Anakin's means of conception isn't detailed, Qui Gon at least suggests a possibility onscreen. Not having specific details for this isn't that big of a deal because we don't have something contradicting it, like Shmi being intimate with whomever.

We don't see almost anyone's training in the force so I don't expect to have to have see training to believe that someone knows how to do something. We don't see anyone being trained to:

Throw a lightsaber
Use lightning
Choke people
Jump high
Use mind trick
Pull objects

I don't think that's a very good example of something that needs explaining.



But.... Palpatine was last seen falling down a loooooooooooooooooooong shaft with some explosion or something happening on the way down on a space station that blew up not long after. That definitely needs some satisfactory explanation.

 

What would you need to see/hear to make it satisfactory? Would one or two lines of exposition be enough? What If Palpatine makes a brief comment about being able to cheat death indirectly referencing ROTS, would that be enough?
Just curious

 

I hope this is wrong. I don’t want avatars and reincarnated heroes. I want these new characters to be unique and have their own story.

 

The Force is more interested in burning trees than saving suffering people from a tyrranic empire ...

 

My take on that is that in places like Dagobah or Ach-To, where there is something like a strong Force presence, it is possible for the Force Ghost to interact a little more with their surroundings. In fact, except from these two places and a brief appearance in Endor, we haven't seen a Force ghost... We don't know if they can appear everywhere. Correct me if I'm wrong...

What is sure is that they can't take a lightsaber and fight or interfere in battles... Probably they are not even allowed to do so. Their task is over, they have become one with the Force, they can't affect the living things.

 

Obi Wan appeared to Luke on Hoth and also spoke to him during the first Death Star trench run. I have no way of knowing anything about Hoth but I thought it was supposed to be uninhabited and unlikely to have some connection to the force. I also doubt that the area of space where Luke was while flying over the Death Star was a significant forcey area. That's just in reference to appearing, not interacting. You could be right about where they can interact.

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I would be satisfied with a few lines of dialog, or a flashback. But, the dialog would have to be more than just, "Like my master before me, I learned how to cheat death". That's too vague, for me at least. I think it's bad storytelling to show a character very obviously die and then have him show up decades later with a "oh, I survived that but it's not important how" explanation.

 

What about Anakin's "reward for ENDING the horror that was Palpatine"?
Ben taught him how to force ghost because he betrayed and killed Palpatine.

Now, matters are worse. /s

Not for me. Some throw away line will not cut it. Not with the legend of Plagueis the Wise and the death of Snoke still hanging in the wind.

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Book burning or not, Jedi force-torching trees is bad for Galactic Warming. Shame on the little, green ghost. /s

 

Is this from something official? Is it stated that Obi Wan taught Anakin how to be a force ghost as a reward for killing Palpatine? If so, that's definitely a contradiction if Palpatine is shown in TROS to have not died at all in ROTJ.

 

IIRC: That paraphrased quote from ghost Ben was at the end of The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader.


EDIT: Found an excerpt on Plebbit:

Had Obi-Wan's spirit not witnessed Vader's action, he never would have believed it. Vader, the same monster that Obi-Wan had left to die on Mustafar, had sacrificed himself to save his son. And suddenly ObiWan realized where he had failed. For unlike Luke, Obi-Wan had not only believed that Anakin was completely consumed by the dark side, but had actually refused to believe that any goodness could have remained within Vader. And by refusing to allow that possibility, Obi-Wan had condemned not only his former friend but his own capacity for hope. Fortunately, Luke's unwavering faith in his father's innate goodness had proved to be a stronger force than the power of the dark side.

Obi-Wan recalled what Qui-Gon Jinn's spirit had told him so long ago, when he said that Obi-Wan was not ready, and that he failed to understand. For so many years, Obi-Wan had thought Qui-Gon meant that he wasn't ready to comprehend details about Anakin's conversion to the dark side. But now, he finally understood his Master's words. I wasn't ready to forgive Anakin. And he won't be entirely free unless I do.

Unfortunately, just as Obi-Wan realized that Anakin Skywalker lived, he also knew that Anakin would not live much longer. As Luke hauled his dying father toward a shuttle, Obi-Wan's spirit shifted his own psyche to another realm. And he waited.

After Anakin died in his son's arms, Obi-Wan called out into the void, "Anakin." A moment later, Obi-Wan heard a familiar voice return from the darkness.
"Obi-Wan? Master, I'm so sorry. So very, very —"

"Anakin, listen carefully," Obi-Wan interrupted.

"You are in the netherworld of the Force, but if you ever wish to revisit corporeal space, then I still have one thing left to teach you. A way to become one with the Force. If you choose this path to immortality, then you must listen now, before your consciousness fades." Obi-Wan sensed confusion and remorse in Anakin's psyche, then Anakin answered, "But Master . . . why me?"

"Because you ended the horror, Anakin," Obi-Wan said. "Because you fulfilled the prophecy. Because you were . . . and are . . . the Chosen One." But Obi-Wan knew in his heart that those were not the only reasons. He added, "Because I was wrong about you. And because I am your friend."

Anakin answered quietly, "Thank you, Master." Luke Skywalker managed to haul his father's body into an Imperial shuttle and escaped the Death Star before his Rebel Alliance allies destroyed the battle station. After landing on the forest moon, he gathered deadwood to build a funeral pyre to cremate Anakin's armored remains. As he watched the flames rise into the night sky, he wished he had somehow been able to help his father sooner.

When the pyre burned no more, Luke rejoined his friends. The Rebels were having a victory celebration with their new allies, the diminutive fur-covered Ewoks, at the Ewoks' treetop village. Shortly after Luke arrived, he looked away from his jubilant friends to see the spectral, luminescent forms of Obi-Wan and Yoda appear nearby, against the darkness of the forest canopy. A moment later, a third spirit appeared beside the others. It was Anakin Skywalker. The Jedi had returned.

*This is no longer canon.