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How the ST can become better than the OT!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Sparafucile, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Sparafucile

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    Many of you may walk into this thread a little cynical.

    For some, the ST is already better.

    Fear not, I'm not here to tear things down, but rather to support and build around. Expand and extrapolate.

    The OT was perfect in my mind (oh, it had issues, but we managed to gloss them over quite nicely). As a stand alone trilogy, it works great. The ST might not work out so great as a stand alone... but here's the thing.

    It doesn't have to be stand alone.

    GL decided to not milk the cash cow and make more SW movies for nearly 20 years after the OT. Foolish or wise, I think both lines of thought have their merit. That said, he didn't have Disney backing him then either.

    Disney wants to churn out a movie a year.

    We fans lack exposition in the ST.

    Spin offs can remedy that. Holdo spinoff. Rose spinoff. Finn spin off. Poe Spin off. Phasma spin off. X-wing alien spin off. Random dude walking down a hallway spin off (really, I wouldn't mind seeing lives away from our heroes).

    GL never went this route, and personally I think it's wise that he didn't. The OT was simple enough that it fit in the tiny box of a trilogy. I don't think the ST fits so well. I've stated before that one of my beefs with RJ is that it feels like he had ideas for a 20 episode season and tried cramming it into one movie and that failed for me because it lacked exposition.

    Adding spin offs around the ST could add that sense of a huge galaxy. It could make for awesome marathon SW watching 10-20 years from now. It could further develop side characters. I think it has potential to improve the ST and the whole of the GFFA.

    Some people argue that we shouldn't judge the ST because IX isn't out yet. I think it'll take more than IX to fix some of the issues. If they can make R1 to fix a minor beef some fans had with the DS having a weakness, why can't Disney go all out and fill the issues fans (I think both some who love the ST and some who hate it) have with aspects of the ST, mainly the world building.

    Maybe the ST won't ever be the best stand alone trilogy... but maybe it can be the best supported trilogy, with a bunch of peripheral movies adding substance to what we already have.
     
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    The ST is no stand alone trilogy, same goes for the PT. Furthermore I don't like the idea of fixing something afterwards. Only because you add spin-offs after the ST is done, won't make the ST better.
     
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    too late for that now.
     
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    One word. BLASPHEMY!
     
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    Its hard to beat the nostalgia of the CT.
    But...I think all depends of the third act.
    TFA was excelent and TLJ a masterpiece.
    All JJ has to do is deliver us another great movie. And problably, in a decade or two, I will love both trilogy as I used to love the CT. We will see.
     
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    This fanfiction trilogy will never be better than the OT. This train left the station.
     
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    this trilogy sealed its fate as being inferior to the OT the second the word "brave resistance" showed in the opening crawl of TFA....it was all downhill from there
     
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    I don't believe the ST can be saved . . . even if "EPISODE IX" proves to be a good film. One out of three movies? Yeah . . . I don't see that happening for me. Sure, "EPISODE IX" could prove to be first-rate to me. But I don't think this could overturn my opinion of both "TFA" and "TLJ". For me, both were not good films. So far, it looks as if the ST is the only Star Wars trilogy of which I have a low opinion.
     
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    This trilogy can be salvaged with Abrams knowing everything that needs fixing in E9. But I'm already moving on, and waiting for new movies with new characters in other parts of the galaxy. I want my SW fix, and ST is not supplying it.

    As long as they don't try to make all new movies revolve around the ST, it can be great. If they think every movie needs to tie into the ST, it may be a long road ahead.
     
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    There's a thin line between bravery and stupidity.
     
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    It's hard to get lightning in a bottle 2 times as I never had expectations that the PT or ST would be as great as the OT. The OT hit on all cylinders with the lovable characters/chemistry, the mythology/themes, the new world Lucas set up, and the time period as it was groundbreaking. It is just too hard to make a 3rd trilogy very original without skipping the same beats pertaining to characters, plots, etc, so that alone will always make it inferior.
     
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    OT was made on a shoestring budget to educate kids about ancient morality tales in a fun modern spacey way.
    ST was made by a multibillion dollar corporation to make more money.

    That's the main difference. The ST isn't fit to even be compared to the OT and is even undeserving of the Star Wars brand name.
     
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    @Sparafucile: Reasonably tries to start discussion on how to improve the Sequel Trilogy

    Half the comment section: Doesn't even read the original post, just comments on how they don't like the sequel trilogy because that's still a hot take, right?




    Anyway Spar, I think you're totally right. What the ST lacks so badly right now is context. Even with the PT, we at least had some context to go off of- mentions of the Clone Wars, Coruscant, the Republic, the Jedi Order...

    With the ST, not only do we have little context going in, but we're actually fighting against fan expectations based off the old Legends canon, because people don't understand that this canon is different, apparently.

    I really like the idea of spinoffs, but I don't necessarily we need our ST characters to even star in them. For instance, we don't necessarily need Holdo to have her own movie, but perhaps she could cameo in one. Heck, we might even be able to cast a young Holdo and see Leia's childhood friendship with her on Alderaan.

    I know there's been some requests (from me as well) for an X-Wing spinoff. Wouldn't it be cool to set it after Endor, and have a sort of passing of the baton to Black Squadron, maybe even as a final scene or something?

    Plus I think spinoffs like Rogue One and what we've seen of Solo has alrady done a really good job of beginning to breach that weird gap between the Prequel trilogy and the Original films. It's extra strange to me, then, how the sequel trilogy still feels so disconnected.
     
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    What needs to happen is for them to drop the sequel Era completely and use the old Republic as a soft reboot
     
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    The ST is my favorite thus far, followed by the OT, and far behind is the PT.
     
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    I don't think the ST can ever be better than the OT, but who knows? IX is going to be the one to either tie it all together, in which case perhaps it will be seen as better, or it won't.

    But does the ST have to be "better?" I don't think so. As someone already mentioned, the OT was made on a shoe string budget, and its purpose was to tell a traditional fairy/morality tale set in outer space. The PT was... I'm not going there. The ST was, at the end of the day, made by a multi billion dollar company wanting some or all of its investment back as soon as possible. I would say the ST doesn't need to be "better" just be good and enjoyable. If episode IX does what it should then that mandate will be fulfilled.

    I should say that, so far, I've enjoyed all of the new films so I'm definitely not a ST hater.
     
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    Nothing compared to the original is ever as good in many people's eyes and that's ok, imo.

    I don't like the constant Disney bashing, though. I don't think they've destroyed SW at all, though a lot of people can't handle it, even in instances when they are doing things right.
     
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    Yep.
    I Wanna put up a post here ...
    But Won't ...
    "coz the 'Loud Few' will "hate" on me fer it.

    Hell ! I'll probably get "hate" fer just postin' this here ...
     
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    You're free to do as you want, but honestly, I don't let people censor me from fear of getting a dislike or disagree. I'd rather get the feedback and discussion, even if I disagree on all points. I also think much of the stronger emotions around the ST on both sides has calmed significantly. I used to get a lot more red and yellow in the first few months than I do lately. I also think that the calming has a lot to do with both sides of the fandoms being much more diplomatic with their opinions.

    As I said, it's completley up to you, but even if you get a litte more red and yellow, you're a far way from anyone thinking you're a troll based on your profile stats.
     
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    I really think one of the issues with the Sequel Trilogy—not for me personally, but for the people who aren’t pleased with these films—is that they’re inevitably going to be compared to the Original Trilogy, and I’m sure the directors do feel forced to try and make them better than those movies.

    But I think rather than trying to one-up the Original Trilogy, there needs to just be a focus on making a good, quality story that enhances what we have so far. In my opinion, they’ve done that. The prequels serve their purpose in the Skywalker saga, but they’re a very different kind of film. The sequels have made me feel the same way I felt when I watched the original films. They’ve made me happy and I’m very emotionally invested in the story and the characters. I think that’s all you could really ask of them, and in my opinion, they’re doing a pretty good job.

    The Original and Sequel Trilogies are both great in their own ways. Unfortunately, though, it was only natural for the Sequel Trilogy to be forced to live up to the expectations of the Original, and whether it delivered on that or not is completely subjective.

    I think they’re doing a great job, though. I never expected anything to surpass the originals, I just wanted something that I could enjoy the same way I did the originals, and I’ve gotten exactly that with these films.
     
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