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How to cure foolish misguided bad guys like Kylo or Hux?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by oldbert, Mar 26, 2016.

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Whatt to do with guys like Kylo or Hux?

  1. Put them in the trash compactor together with Phasma

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  2. Arrest them in an old Jedi temple together with Yoda as their strict force ghost teacher

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  3. Just find a wife for them and they will be cured from everything just fine

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  4. Give them a job as simple technicians and they soon will be cured of their arrogance

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  5. There is just no hope at all for them

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  6. sthg else

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    I don't know what your talking about, cure guys like Hux and Ren! They are fine, upstanding citizens prepared to do whatever nessecary to bring structure and order to a chaotic galaxy incapable of managing itself!

    The New Republic may allow small, militant insurgents like the Resistance to run rampant, destabilizing and undermining galactic authority, but guys like Hux in the FO do something about it.

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    we have no idea how Ren feels about his mother. it's up in the air.
    people have speculated that he's more attached to her, less resentful, but i'm not sure about that.
    as the FS parent and the one who probably made the decision to send him to Luke, he might be even more wounded by her rejection and therefore more detached. if he felt like Han was "weak and foolish" (and beneath him for being non-FS), he might excuse Han's lapses as a parent, but being abandoned by his FS mother? hmmm....

    in the book, the single time she's ever mentioned in his presence, he changes the subject. he might have buried his feelings so deep he can't feel anything for her.

    but as far as TFA, we don't see him react to Snoke's order to destroy the Ileenium system, though he's gotta know his mother is out there. so already she's been specifically threatened without him taking immediate action other than to try to convince Snoke to give him more time to get the map. then he loses his focus once Rey escapes.

    perhaps confronted with his mother in actual physical peril, it would make a difference.
    he seemed pretty determined to shove Han out of his mind until he actually had to face him.
     
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    You're right Kylo definitely is not an easy case. It's so hard to make a accurate guess when it comes to his character development and his feelings about his parents. His fast switching emotions and outbreaks can affect the ongoing story at any time.. everything is just" torn apart inside and outside him".
    "Always in motion his future is"..perhaps we have to accept this nebulous state for while, guessing around in the "darkness".
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    Toss them into a Sarlacc. That will give them PLENTY of time to meditate on the error of their ways.
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    Yep, I reckon he is quite troubled regarding his mother. I have a theory that he might be resentful towards her since she is Force-Sensitive as him but chose not to train as a Jedi, due to her issues regarding her Skywalker legacy. He might regard her as not loving him enough to be able to communicate with him as equals due to their FS.
     
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    with so little to go on, i nevertheless also have this feeling. a sense of betrayal and rejection regarding the FS stuff.
    i definitely think he's more hurt by his mother than he ever was by his father.
     
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    Plus she is the one who sent him away. There had to be a reason for that. She seemed so rose colored glasses in Bloodlines, but he was sent and in the movie she said "That's why I sent him to Luke". Plus, you got the feeling that somewhere along the line that kid wasn't right.
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    but for Snoke and what happened with the Hosnian system, i would seriously be questioning who is in the right. hahaha
     
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    Even Leia was disenchanted with that government. So some innocent people died. The price of cleaning house. ;)
     
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    @Ammianus Marcellinus said it best in his message board post. destroying the New Republic perhaps put a nail in the coffin of the chance of resurrecting lots of unpopular ideas/characters/story elements (like, i don't know, trade disputes, perhaps), so yes: feeling very conflicted ~ hahaha
     
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    Only thing would be is any unique ecosystems in that particular system, or the poor defendless wildlife. Feeling guilty about all that though. And the ordinary folks of course, same thing with Alderaan, but well, this gives them a clean slate all around.
     
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    Who's calling Hux misguided? The man is a strategic genius who rightfully punished the Republic for its illegitimate support of a warmongering and illegal private military organisation. Kylo is the real problem: he is unsubordinate and overtly jealous of Hux's prime achievements. In fact, I reckon Hux is a far more capable leader than this old guy Snoke. The latter just sits around and comments from the sideline, at least Hux gets his hands dirty. And his subordinates respect him more than anything else. Remember that officer who ran away at the Starkiller flight control centre. He said "(...) EVEN Hux is gone." Now there is some diehard stuff for you. When all things collapse, Hux still goes to conference room to ask master to give him an update of the situation and aks whether he can leave or not. Now that is some die-hard sh*t right there for you

    Now to the point.............

    since when are Hux and Kylo Ren "misguided" bad guys?
     
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    ..You made your points with all your authority:). The reason for this thread is, as you can extract from the statements in the poll, not nearly as serious as your post here. Sometimes I try to hard to be funny.
     
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    i gotta correct you on one thing: Hux never asks if he can leave. that's die-hard. hahaha

    from their own perspective, i'd say they're misguided because they aren't working together cooperatively.
    they gotta get on the same page or take a time out.
     
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    Yes. They do not seem to get very close mates in the nearest future :). Hux seems the keep the right distance just for the sake of his health outside of Kylos sabre distance:)
     
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    These two cartoons keep coming up in my mind.



    someonewhohatesyou.jpg
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    What are Hux's motives? What does he want in life? And why is Kylo's presence and conduct so frustrating to Hux?
     
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    if anybody in TFA wants to rule the galaxy, it's Hux. he's on a bender to prove that he's worth more than this father asserts and avenge himself on the universe for his illegitimacy.

    i think one of the reasons he hates Ren is possibly because of Ren's pedigree; even if he is the son of a smuggler, he's still legitimate and his bloodline is royal. it's also Force Sensitive, which makes Ren favored by Snoke. i'm sure Hux finds the competition unbearable. the only thing he has over Ren is his military acumen (which, even then, is all theoretical).

    so yeah, these two and their deep-seated insecurities are bound to be at one another's throats. they have more in common that they realize.
     
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    And Kylo has this "batman" like dark charisma around him. It could be, beside all redemptation wishes, for the sake of Leia if for nothing else, that Kylo proved himself to be not as foolish as Vader (like Snoke told him) by not killing his son. He made a step further. But what's next. Killing Rey and Luke. And afterwards? Staying at Snokes side till the old fish gets his final heartache? (if he has one). Endgoal? Hux could be a new Leader for the FO, when Snoke is gone, but he and a lot of his man will not follow Kylo Ren. Hux may have the feeling that Ren has the cooler skills but he is in a better position to rule an official autocratic regime. Kylo will always have to stay in the shadows.. very lonesome and isolated at the end.
     
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    that's an excellent point. while both Hux and Ren likely share a sense of isolation (and loneliness), Hux does have the command of legions, whereas Ren maybe has his Knights (we don't even know that 100% sure at this point). Ren is an outsider even to the FO, whereas Hux is part of the larger machine.
     
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