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How to cure foolish misguided bad guys like Kylo or Hux?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by oldbert, Mar 26, 2016.

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Whatt to do with guys like Kylo or Hux?

  1. Put them in the trash compactor together with Phasma

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  2. Arrest them in an old Jedi temple together with Yoda as their strict force ghost teacher

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  3. Just find a wife for them and they will be cured from everything just fine

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  4. Give them a job as simple technicians and they soon will be cured of their arrogance

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  5. There is just no hope at all for them

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  6. sthg else

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  1. Choose Light

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    Millie has too much integrity for that job. :p

    #MillieCouldDoItIfSheWantedSheJustDoesntWantTo
    #IfMillieHadEverLearntSheWouldHaveBeenAGreatProficient
    #HerStandardsAreHighTheyreVeryHigh
     
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    My official SW-dreamteam:

    Millicent & K2SO

    could EASILY rule the galaxy together.
    RES & FO would follow them.
    They could unite all enemies, likers, dislikers, lovers and haters and lead us all into a bright future full of prosperity and peace! :D
     
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    @oldbert, I'm writing a letter to LF right now recommending you as the writer/director for this standalone film. Or would you just prefer to write us a nice alternate universe fanfic? (In which Hux gets a redemption arc, I presume?) :D
     
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    Hahaha, thank you! Oh yes :) it could become an outstanding "stand ALONE" piece of art because I would be the only one, standing ALONE in my little theatre, watching all the plot holes and (not intented) funny moments during a very lonely premier event.
    This film would surely get as much attention as my Master thesis (my professor was the only one who ever had to read it from beginning to end, poor guy) :D
     
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    i would come see it, @oldbert! and i'll bring pie.

    (also, i feel your pain. my chair didn't even read my thesis ~ hahahahaha).
     
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    Super! :D
    Yes. Bring pie anyway. We would easily find sthg to celebrate.
    You bring pie, I join the party with my brownies. @Choose Light brings the cat :)
     
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    Nobody tells Millicent what to do. But I could promise her pie. Maybe @RockyRoadHux needs to do that though. :D
     
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    Quite right @Choose Light .
    This is a call for @RockyRoadHux :
    Please try to convince Millicent to join our little pie party :) !
     
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    Snoke was wrong about a lot of things. So let's keep a little optimism here.
     
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    He fills that label quite well.
    Optimism? Thank you but no. Not in this case. I am quite okay with destroyer of worlds die.
    Cat or no cat.
    Captain Peavey can inherrit the cat. :D
     
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    Cat or no cat, that's the question that matters now :)
     
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    I personally don't see anything in Hux's charachter that indicates he should or even could be saved. I am of course reffering to presented in the movies only because I don't explore SW universe much through other sources.
    Is there anything about Hux that I am perhaps not seeing and that would make him worthy of saving?

    For me he became unsalvable the moment he suggested and implemented the destruction of the Hosnian system. After that he still had the potential to become a really good, even terrific villain and formidable opponent, but the way the story progressed in tlj and the way he was portrayed there simply forbids it. No one takes him seriously anymore: not his subordinates that laugh behind his back when he is being outsmarted by one lone fighter. Not the old Supreme Leader Snoke who humiliates him in public. Not the new supreme leader Kylo who is throwing him arround. I think that is a pitty because he could have been better villain than Tarkin.
    Like this, they actually made him like Wormtongue in LOTR what seals his fate to the only plausible outcome: insignifficance and/or death.

    I guess it is possible to keep him alive after st to fester somewhere in the background and grow into a new post st villain but given that he has no force powers and i am pretty sure the actor's unvilling to stay involved with the story past st, I would say that is not going to happen.

    @oldbert do you agree or have some different input about Hux?
     
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    I agree with most of your points.
    1. He was reduced to comic relief in VIII. We can not take him serious anymore. In my opinion, the whole "dark side" was good for a laugh in both films of the ST.
    2. Don't kill me for that, BUT I am not sad about the " humorous" treatment of the whole Darkside fraction. Why?
    I try to see it through the perspective of my teenage son. We have seen both films of the ST together. He has grown on the characters of the Resistance and laughed about the others.
    That's a good thing in my opinion, because there is a "back to the roots" and a "seek for a great emperor" movement in our country that grows every day. I am afraid that my kids, especially my daughter, have to live in a world, where they have to fight against oppression all over again. They will need every motivation they can get to stand up against it.

    OTH.
    3. I would never ever give up the possibility for somebody to come over his past, to develop.
    I am with you that you can not really "redeem" a character like Hux. He has pressed the button of mass destruction. But he could learn and regrett some of his decisions even if it is too late for him. He ( together with Ren imo) is in the worst state of all characters now.

    4. AND MOST IMPORTANT:
    I tried to made this thread a place of humor and hilarious posts about Hux, Kylo & Co. Do not take everything serious here :D
     
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    I agree with most of your points too. The most with this one. :)

    So...do you prefer the way old SL throws Hux around or the new SL? I think Hux was more desingned for sideways flight rather than vertical slam dunks?
     
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    Hahaha. ok.
    I choose "sideways flight" if I have to :)

    ..sometimes I really have troubles to tell someone like you, with perfect english skills, about my point of view, especially when we talk about " divisive" subjects like above.
    Sometimes @FN-3263827 joins and helps me out. She knows best where I " come from".
    ..so excusez moi for my "Austrian english" :D
     
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    The new Supreme Leader uses much more passion you know.
     
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    i'll just add this for @oldbert, since he invoked me to speak on the topic XD:

    i wouldn't say Hux is any more sympathtic, necessarily, in the EU, but seeing where he comes from and the fact that he has basically been conditioned to physical and emotional abuse since he was a small child, it's hard to fault him for his sociopathic behavior. he is, unfortunately, a product of extreme social deprivation. it's doubtful he's ever had any genuine kindness in his life and wouldn't know what to do with it if it was offered to him.

    even Rae Sloane, whom i've seen some people describe as his "protector" really only used him as a shield (a four year old child!) because she was afraid for her own safety. of all the despicable abuses Wendig introduces in the Aftermath trilogy (where it's a theme), the outrage Hux suffers strikes me as the worst. the only semi-autonomy he is ever given is the power to control and hurt other people. and again, he's four years old.

    i have little hope that Hux will make it alive out this because he's the extreme case compared to Ben; Hux is what happens to children who have no light in their lives, nor hope for anything but enough power to stop others from beating on them.

    i only hope that when he does die, it's with a modicum of dignity.
    the way he was abused in TLJ was intolerable to me personally. : o p
     
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    Extraordinary well said. Thanks @FN-3263827 .
    I think I wouldn' t be on this forum anymore without you. We call someone like you "Schutzengel" in Austria. :D
     
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    awww, thank you @oldbert.
    that touches my heart. <3
     
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    I've started to hope that Hux will overthrow Ren with his own Knights of Ren. => Then Hux becomes an evil and ruthless Supreme Leader who tries to hunt down the Resistance and Kylo Ren.
    To make it even worse Kylo Ren is now without friends. He lost the FO and don't want to become a part of the Resistance.
     
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