How true balance could be achieved in IX

This is a very interesting idea, and it might actually turn out to be canon, but this

makes it seem as if the force is sentient and enjoys the conflict between light and dark. In this scenario, the force is trying to teach force sensitives important lessons by tearing itself apart and causing countless deaths again and again. It's actually an evil...well, force. Which would be interesting, but pretty shocking.

Also, the previous idea contradicts this one

How is it helping them break the cycle if it's constantly pitting them against each other? That's literally the worst thing the force could "do" to achieve balance.
Instead, the force could try to achieve balance by allowing force sensitives to use it as they see fit (which I believe it's exactly what is happening, not by choice, but by default) until they understand the need for balance. There's no need for it to "manifest" itself in a cyclic manner, causing force sensitives to pick one side or the other depending on which is available. As far as I can tell, force users are the ones splitting the force into light and dark due to their limited knowledge, not the other way around.

 

Whoa to the saga.

 

I didn't read that like that. I do not think te Force is sentient and I don't think @BobRoss was thinking this way (but I may be mistaken).

I'm trying to explain with an example: usually, the water stream in a river goes towards the ocean (i will call this move "the light side"). But twice a day, the ocean tide pushes a wave towards the coast, such a wave may enter the river and move upstream (I will call this move "the dark side").
So : alternatively, "the light side" pushes the water towards the ocean, then "the dark side" tends to do the reverse move, and so on. Every day, this happens, since the world is world.
This may illustrate that perpetual "conflict between dark and light" we are speaking about. What I truly wanted to mean is: this conflict is not sentient. It is just a physical phenomenon engendered by physical forces, but there is no "intelligence" or "will" behind this dayly confrontation.

This is what I think about the force, and the millenial confrontation between light and dark : sometimes, dark users are stronger than light users, and darkness rises. Other times, light users are the winners. I don't see all of this as a "will of the Force".

 

I see your point now, and I still disagree. The way I see it, the river is the force as a whole. Light side users tell themselves that it must only be used for fishing, and dark side users tell themselves that it must only be used for drowning one's enemies. Meanwhile, the river is a river regardless of what force users tell themselves, and it has its way of balancing the fishing and the drownings if one or the other is taken to the extreme.

That was just my point.

 

Hello.

I have a question for the ones who know the SW story : all along the whole SW timeline (including Legends, I mean, starting from Revan&Malak times, up to Kylo Ren&Rey times), everytime top-dark met top-light, and they fought each other, has it every time been a "male vs male" fight ?
The question can be asked in a reverse way - but it still remains the same question: with Rey embodying the light side, and Kylo embodying the dark side, is it the first time in the SW story we see a male top-force-user fighting a female top-force-user ?

disclaimer: Let me fix something : yes, I know there have been a lot of female padawans/Jedi (Aayla, Jocasta, Luminara, Ahsoka, ...) and also there have been a lot of female apprentices (Bastila, Zannah, Aurra, Assajj, ...). I clearly and absolutely don't deny them, but for my theory, I'm truly speaking of "top users", I mean, beings that embody the LS (or the DS) at its "ultimate top level", something like the "final boss".​

I notice the following in order to illustrate my question:
- Malak=male, Revan=Male, their antagonist was Vitiate=male
- Bane=male, his chief was Kaan=male, his antagonist was Jedi General Hoth=male
- Anakin Skywalker=male, his antagonist was Palpatine=male
- Grand Master Yoda=male, his antagonist was Darth Sidious=male
- Luke Skywalker=male, his antagonist was Darth Vader=male
- later, Luke Skywalker=male, his antagonist was Snoke=male

For my theory, I guess the answer is "yes, this is the first time we see a man facing a woman". One embodying the top-notch DS, the other embodying the top-notch LS.
And I notice the following :
- Man+Man... yes, I know, they can feel interest, even love, or even more than love, one for the other. They can enjoy life, but they cannot "naturally" perpetuate the specie. They can spend their entire life together and be happy, but they will never have an offspring.
- Man+Woman... something interesting is happening : even if they don't feel love one for the other, they are able to "naturally merge" and give birth to an offspring.

Do you see where I want to go ?
Let me push the "offspring metaphor" in a more philosophical way - far above the "only organic sense of reproduction" : if the Rey/Kylo conflict is truly the very first time FEMALE fights MALE, it happens that we are confronted for the first time to the fact that the settings are met, not to end on a "sterile fight" (= man+man is sterile), but on the contrary, to give birth to a "fertile confrontation" (as woman+man is supposed to engender an offspring). Thus, I don't truly speak of a "ReyLo lovestory with a baby in the end", but in a more philosophical way, I'm speaking about "two sides that are merging and give birth to a third being".
1+1=3 (dad, mom, and baby)
Light+Dark=Balance. And it's truly Light+Dark, and not Light vs Dark : they merge, they don't fight. They merge because (metaphorically) they are male and female.
and in the end, why not:
Jedi+Sith=Bendu (or something similar to Bendu).

Do you get what I mean ?
Your thoughts ?

 

By breaking down the middle wall of partition between the two; having removed the enmity, to make of the two, one new, and so making peace. Sounds like a familiar way to wrap things up.

But wouldn't you think that intent plays a part in morality? Consider a person who goes to a gym for a workout. That person is intentionally causing harm to their own body. They are "tearing it apart" literally on a cellular, muscular level. But is the act "evil"? It isn't. Their intent is growth. No pain, no gain, as it were. Though the method of growth causes pain and suffering, the intent is for the benefit of the body. Growth. Now transpose that analogue to the metaphysical. The question being, what role does intent play in the determination of good and evil?

Oh sure. The man and the woman. It was all for the union. And the two become one. That's what marriage is all about. Speaking also by way of metaphor.

 

With all the focus on balance (of the force) in recent media, what if this saga ends with Rey and Kylo becoming a new form of Mortis' Son and Daughter? Maybe even with Luke acting as the Father. Perhaps they travel to the World between Worlds (as seen in Rebels), to keep this balance forever.

Aside from this, it has been mentioned that the Force has a form of sentience. What if the characters not only discover and acknowledge this, but come to the realisation that the galaxy might be better of without it? Ever since the first Force-users came to be, there is conflict, with characters using the Force for their own gain. Closing oneself of from the Force is possible, as we have seen Luke do this in TLJ.


Now, I don't think these ideas will be used, it might need to much exposition and besides that, it might be a downer ending. Hell, I'm not sure I would like to see something like this. However, it might give some definitive closure to the overall saga, marking a true end of an era, with the beginning of a whole new one.

 

I was going to post this in the "World between Worlds" thread but opted to post it here instead.

While the Resistance is taking care of the First Order. A turned Ben Solo and Rey quickly realizes they are outnumbers by the Knights of Ren.
Using the "World's portal" Ben recruit reinforcements from the Clone Wars Era (ie- 19BBY, Anakin Skywalker and perhaps Kenobi and others as well).
Once the KOR are defeated the Clone Wars characters are return to their era w/ the knowledge of what the future holds.
Instead of defending Palpatine at the hands of Windu, Anakin defeats him.
War is over, the prophecy is now completed as balance is achieved and its the end of the Skywalker saga (ep 1 to 9).

Any subsequent movies can include an older anakin and padme, the twins, Kenobi and Jedi etc vs a new threat from the outer banks or whatever.

Cheers, KH

 

I thought Luke was trying to achieve balance in TLJ by taking the Jedi out of the picture.