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SPECULATION How World War II maybe inspiring The Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by odmichael, May 22, 2015.

  1. odmichael

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    We've been seeing a lot of World War II - type imagery in the recent images and trailers for the First Order. So that has led me to speculate how World War II maybe driving the story for the First Order and Resistance.

    For starters, let's go back to the destruction of the Death Star II and let's view this as if it's the end of World War I. With its destruction came a significant amount of money lost to the remains of the Empire. The Empire was missing its leader and its one of its head military officers (Vader). Besides the millions/billions instantly killed on the Death Star II, imagine all of those now jobless as well as the money invested now gone. I'm not quite sure what the money system was under the Empire. Some of you may know. But I'm sure the money essentially just became valueless just like German money had no value after World War I.

    So now we have a weak government under the empire, a lack of authoritative figures, and poverty. While somebody clearly took over the reigns of the Empire after Palpatine, history tells us this person (or people) likely was not one of the leaders we will see in the Force Awakens. It will likely be at least several years - post-ROTJ until we see who is truly in power. For one thing, Domhall Gleeson's General character, Captain Phasma, Kylo Ren - these are all YOUNG characters and the face of the First Order. While we have this "Uber" character, he is clearly working in the shadows or else we would have seen him by now. They're a little younger than Hitler or Mussolini was in power. But these characters grew up in a post-empire galaxy and they can relate to the common-man's problems in this galaxy. These young characters that have only seen the galaxy from one perspective (that we can assume for now) are perfect for representing the First Order. They are young and arrogant. But they are determined to take down the Resistance.

    Speaking of the Resistance, I think it is important to note what they might be. If we view the Resistance as the World War II Allies, then it is important to note that they are a group of systems that want to prevent a galactic takeover. These are likely the same planets who were with the Republic during the Clone Wars as they are loyal to democracy. Moreover, these systems could still make up a New Republic, despite being called the resistance. The Resistance is just the name of their alliance while The New Republic or perhaps a United Systems or something is in charge. I question that Leia is the only one in charge of the galaxy. This movie could have a theme between democracy vs fascism. I do not think it will get too political though to avoid the controversies of the prequel trilogy.

    So we have these two sides the Resistance (with a possible New Republic) and the First Order which seems to be a mix between the separatists and the empire - a group of fascists leaders using propaganda to encourage systems to join the cause. Why would a group want to join this cause? Because it is still better than the poor life they have now. Think of the poverty of Germany post World War I. Now imagine the poverty of hundreds of planets because of the end to the empire. The war has even driven people to remote places like Jakku because there is more value to being there than their home planet.

    Planets will align over the years strengthening both sides until we get to this point - The Force Awakens. I believe that this is when we start seeing The First Order invade and conquer other planets as well. If history is any indication, this movie seems like it is going to be the start of a war and it is going to set up an intergalactic war for Episode VIII and/or IX. The Resistance has had 30 years to become powerful and the First Order will grow with the systems that are hating democracy because it cannot help them.
     
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    I agree that the WW2 connection is strong. I think the WW2 aspect is part of all the medieval motifs just as Hitler was trying make his soldiers view themselves as teutonic knights.

    One thing I will mention is everyone is still talking about duel factions the 1st Order and the Resistance. However Celebration confirmed that the Galactic Republic was there as well. I have a feeling that there is a new Republic and the revived empire re-branded as the 1st Order as well as a Resistance.
     
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    Being the son of a WWII vet and having strong appreciation to those who fought and died for our country during that terrible time, I can see the similarities and wouldn't mind the connections from TFA to WWII at all. I would be interested to see what TFA's Battle of the Bulge moment would be though.
     
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    Great thread. WWII heavily inspired the last two trilogies, i'd prefer if they moved on from that.. but maybe it wouldn't make for an interesting story.
     
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    WW2 & Star Wars have a lot in common here.
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    Yeah kinda its reffering to WW2 but also to Vietnam and Iraq.
    https://starwarsalways.wordpress.co...kathleen-kennedy-discuss-the-prequel-trilogy/


     
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    I love, LOVE these pics! :)
     
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    I think its both Nazi and Medieval inspired... The Nazi's themselves loved Medieval type stuff, they'd used castles as SS HQ's, and SS leader modeled themselves after King Aurthor and the round table.
     
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    I think the WWII influence is more inspired by Kasdan & Raiders of the Lost Ark(1981).
    Kasdan(and GL) put Nazis in 2 of the Raiders films because they are easily identified as evil & the images are in stark contrast. Read the article about TFA's costume designer/wardrobe. He's spot on in my opinion.

    I think some star systems will distrust or be leery of the new Resistance if they establish a new WMD or super weapon. The Galaxy might be turning closer to a all out civil war then a "Cold War" or espinoge between the First Order factions & the Resistance.
    The First Order like Hitler & the Nazi party in the 1930s era might be preparing to sweep in, crushing both the fragile Republic & what remains of the Resistsnce(in TFA's time frame or period).
     
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    I think they are referring to a later period. First order is like SS/Waffen SS a cult like elite with a mythological backround. The Resitance could be something like a special underground force in invaded territory. Like France in 1944 (la resistance) for example. Trained and well equipped special operation units in underground sabotaging the invasors and fighting a partizan war.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_during_World_War_II
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think kasdan wrote the last crusade.
     
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    Thank you I got them from a friend in Canada just thought they were appropriate for this thread.
     
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    Supreme Leader Snoke added to the list!
     
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    Well, Supreme Leader Snoke could match with Heinrich Himmler, he was a supreme commander.
     
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    He could be like Cobra Commander.
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