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Hypocrisy of Rey random approach

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jan 2, 2018.

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A Random(non Skywalker) main hero is more suited for:

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  1. A.Sequel trilogy continuin from original Lucas films

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  2. B. For entirely New Disney trilogy.

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  1. McDiarmid

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    People are saying they want Rey random since its time to change the Star Wars. It was enough the rulling dinasty of Skywalkers. Enough of power obtained trough blood. All people are equal.

    Well we all forget about something.

    Lucas films were not about any aristocracy dynasties, but about slave boy who became what he is trough his talent ,Anakin Skywalker. Lucas original Anakin story was progressive and polithicaly correct story , of a slave boy who even could not liberate his own mother from slavery, who rose to power trough his talents.

    Rey , if random , is thus new Anakin story, not anything so much progressive or radical. Considering Rey's powers ( is she more powerful than Anakin, actually?), in which element is her story than not just a repetition of Anakin Skywalker story .In 2 drunkard parents ?


    Rey random, as an absolutely leading hero in the trilogy that is dirrect continuation of main Lucas films is hypocrisy,like pretending of doing new and fresh and acting some big brains around, while in fact repeating same Lucas idea of Anakin's start from powerty and slavery, now again by new main hero-Rey,and all that in the finishing trilogy of films that started by George Lucas.

    This approach is more apropriate for entirely new trilogy that Disney is preparing, not for trilogy that rose from the Lucas shoulders.

    And bottom line of hypocrisy...oing this and calling it a Skywalker saga.

    Rey is actually stronger than chosen one Anakin was.

    Despite hypocritic mementos spread of Rey's supposed "normalness" against blood born power of Skywalkers, she is no less than next chosen by her acts whch are central to the destiny of galaxy.
    She already enabled Kylo to execute Snoke,and is about to deal with Kylo's desteny himself inevitably in EP IX.

    What ordinary girl?Uberpowered next chosen one,no less.

    In fact strongest argument she is not Skywalker would be this: she is perfect and makes no mistakes.

    That is just my opinion.
     
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    Um.....no.

    Go back to JJ's interviews leading up to TFA, about how he views the Force could come from anyone.

    (Of course, at the time people assumed he was talking about Finn while Rey must have been related. We know differently now.)
     
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    Rey's story is a copy of Anakin's?
     
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    Very well said, there is no new transcendental message in this movie regarding who can use the force or who can be a hero, in fact it's quite the opposite.
    The only difference between Anakin and Rey so far is that Anakin was gifted before birth and Rey after birth, in fact Rey is arguably much more gifted than Anakin but the keyword here is "gifted". What makes matter worse is that at least Anakin has to develop his gifts with years of training an effort while Rey seems to accomplish everything within the scope of a week. I think this is hardly a positive message...
     
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    To be honest Random Rey is the least of my 'Rey' concerns. Although I understand where you are coming from.
     
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    The Skywalkers have always been more about destiny and purpose than a dynasty. However the OT did make a deal of passing down "your father's light sabre." After the PT and the addition of a Force Sensitivity blood test. Many people put a great deal of emphasis on heredity. Many posts on this site reflect this prior to the reveal. It was an understandable misrepresentation of things. So when you see people point out that the force is for anyone its because they felt that the misrepresentation was common enough to need to be addressed.
     
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    I think if they have wanted to push the idea of "democratizing" the existence of powerful force-sensitives, then they should have gone all the way and made Kylo Ren a random as well. This way, you have two random powerful individuals who happened to have made different choices on how to use the Force, instead of a "chosen one" designed with a destiny to counter a Skywalker (as Snoke had said).
     
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    Does anyone else feel like the personalities of Rey and Kylo Ren are the two sides of Anakin Skywalker? It feels like it’s light side Anakin versus dark side Anakin.
     
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    I find Rey Random extremely sad. Why kill off the Skywalkers when we have theses anthology films. Why kill them off when where getting an NON SKYWALKER trilogy.

    Y kill them off when we get books, a live action tv show, comics all about NON SKYWALKERS.
     
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    This is very true. The fans, even casual ones, have a greater interest in the children of their heroes. The children of legends. I’m not sure why they decided that we get one child in Ben Solo. If they didn’t want Luke to have kids due to the Jedi rules, then why didn’t Leia have 2 or 3. Lots of possibilities there.
     
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    No one can never add to the Luke Skywalker, never not Rey, Kylo Ren, Leia, Finn, no one he is Luke Skywalker.

    To make a new character and trilogy without Luke and Skywalker family takes a brilliant writer who loves Star Wars and understand its Lore, and not Disney or JJ or RJ.

    Rey she just in the shadow of Luke Skywalker, I hated her in TFA because she was a Mary Sue, and in the Last Jedi, I like her a little bit better because she failed, and she had weakness one was her parents and that was used against her to help Kylo Ren kill Snoke. Her leaving Luke and not taking his advice cause Luke to sacrifice his self to save the Resistance and to give all of them hope and he redeemed himself.

    I hated the new image of Luke in the last jedi becaue it showed a Luke we never seen a coward running from the fight, and turning to kill his own blood Ben Solo when he went all over to save Vader. But this image of Luke now, can open doors to Luke turn on the Jedi and maybe he does have a child out there. The time spam from Luke leaving his destroyed school and finding Ackto we do not know what transpire and how did he find such place and what adventure he had to take up to find it and get there and who he meet, and we also do not know if Luke turn from the Jedi ways or forsaken it before he went to kill Kylo Ren. Was that when he gave up on the Jedi way or before or after that.

    So Rey can never add up to be Luke, to make someone new without skywalker it can happen but Disney does not have the right team for that, and all you have to do look at the mess with TFA, and TLJ.
     
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    I wasn't particularly fond of Anakin, so that would probably explain why I wouldn't be very fond of 2 halves of Anakin. But yeah, now that you mention it.
     
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    Rey is random because been another Skwalker is backwards.
    But she is actually stronger than chosen one Skywalker Anakin was (actually she is perfect).
    But she is not another Skywalker, its backwards .
    But she starts in a desert as insignificant slave just like first Skywalker Anakin, and his son Luke Skywalker to..
    But she is not another Skywalker, its backwards.
    But saga is market-wise a Skywalker saga.
    This is however a not backwards.
    But the Skywalkers die one by one in the Skywalker saga,since making them more is backwards.

    Now thats Hypocrisy.
     
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    Your forgetting that Anakin wasn't a nobody, he was the chosen one. He was always destined for greatness. So anakin, although he came from very humbled beginnings was never a nobody. And Luke 's entire story arc is based around him being vader's son.

    Rey having entirely no connection/title that makes her 'special' or 'chosen' is something very new for the franchise. She is simply a talented FS with the correct moral outlook. Her parentage is insignificant in terms of questioning 'who?'. Rey wants an answer as to 'why' her parents acted the way they did. That's what defines her motivations, not who her parents were but why she was abandoned.
     
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    Rey Random being a good way to end the Skywalker saga has nothing to do with how her power compares to Anakin's.
    It's simply about finding a means to end a family saga that would otherwise run and run, into obscurity.
    Future Star Wars films being about the Skywalker family doesn't just mean we will see a tale dominated by the Skywalker bloodline (as it may be if Rey decided to have kids or she might die herself in IX). It would be dominated by the legacy of Darth Vader.

    The great great great grandkids will forever be wondering whether the Vader bloodline will corrupt them, for instance. And if the stories didn't make use of the classic Skywalker problems, then why have them at all? It would just completely diminish the wonderful story being told in Episodes 1-9. Right now we have a fantastic mythological tale about one family. Extend it beyond the ST and we lose that. It'll be diluted beyond recognition.

    Far better to find a natural end to this saga in the ST.
    "It's time to let old things die". Rey does that by helping the Skywalker's achieve what they were born to do, whilst bringing them peace.

    Finally, the Skywalker saga, since the PT, has had Darth Vader at the centre of it. It's really all about him.
    In this story now, Kylo Ren is the continuation of Darth Vader's tragic tale and Rey being unrelated is vital to that because of her relationship with Kylo Ren.
    With the finale of RotJ we got a redeemed Vader, but questions remained. And he wasn't ever truly forgiven. In terms of the hero journey and the mythological and moral message being presented, Kylo Ren continues Vader's journey. And through Kylo we need to see a response to the other great mistakes Vader made. Sure, he saved his on in the end, became a Jedi and rejected the Dark Side. But thematically, the love story between him and Padme ended badly without resolution and his overall dark legacy lived on. My view is that Ren's journey will reverse this. We will see Anakin's story play backwards - only this time Ren will seek to do what is right by the one he loves and then she will bring the peace that the original rebel, Padme, failed to achieve.
     
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    Of Jesus' disciples that went on to become apostles only one was from his family. But there was a clear connection among them and recognized by outsiders as followers of Jesus.

    As long as the galaxy recognizes that she is trying take on his mission. She is part of the Skywalker legacy.
     
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    Well said, Pastor Barndog.

    Christianity may have been spread by men wholly unrelated to Jesus (by blood) and practiced by common people, who too are not related to him, and yet it still remains HIS legacy.

    How is that hypocrisy?
     
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    I wonder what people would've though if Jesus had had a daughter who he abandoned in the desert and then refused to train in the ways of Christianity?
     
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    It doesn't matter that it contradicts his entire message.
     
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    Rey is stronger than chosen one Anakin was.
    Despite hypocritic mementos spread of Rey's supposed "normalness" against blood born power of Skywalkers, she is no less than next chosen by her acts whch are central to the destiny of galaxy..She already enabled Kylo to execute Snoke,and is about to deal with Kylo's desteny himself inevitably on EP IX.
    What ordinary girl?Uberpowered next chosen one,no less.In fact strongest argument she is not Skywalker would be this: she is perfect and makes no mistakes.
     
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