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Hypocrisy of Rey random approach

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jan 2, 2018.

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A Random(non Skywalker) main hero is more suited for:

Poll closed Feb 18, 2020.
  1. A.Sequel trilogy continuin from original Lucas films

    11 vote(s)
    47.8%
  2. B. For entirely New Disney trilogy.

    12 vote(s)
    52.2%
  1. Pastor Barndog

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    In the sequel a new director will explain she was never his daughter but the daughter of a few drunks. He will also have a come to Himself moment and appear as a vision to confound enemies and give hope to persecuted followers.
     
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    It is about the Skywalker legacy.
     
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    You just saved Jesus.
     
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    Leia is the key to all this.

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    2017 @McDiarmid Posts: Well, it can't get any worse...

    2018 @McDiarmid Posts: Hold my beer.
     
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    Give me a random.
     
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    Something I thought of about Rey and other potential Force users throughout the galaxy:

    the Force is said to have a will of its own.

    It's the reason I think so many people say, "May the Force be with you."

    I think this partly implies, "May the will of the Force agree with what you do."

    I also think that, if the Force has a will of its own, it must also have something tantamount to a mind, something of a consciousness wherein to generate thoughts, affect events, give rise to causes and effects.

    Beyond that, I also think the Force has a memory.

    This would be important, I think, because, to make more informed and wiser decisions, one must remember the past and endeavor to not repeat the mistakes.

    So, perhaps the Force's will, governed partly by its memory of events and the effects they caused, can change accordingly and attempt to effect wiser consequences through what it believes are better choices.

    The Skywalkers (up until Kylo as of VIII) ultimately did serve to counter or eradicate Dark Side presences in disturbing the natural balance of the Force.

    And perhaps the Force "allows" others to step forth and to exercise their free will, all with the hope these individuals will achieve a more peaceful coexistence with the Force.

    That the Force is potentially available potentially to anyone -- and apparently "randomly" so -- is something I've always understood.

    I think people can tap it naturally without trying to do that. For example, I think Han tapped the Force more than once during the saga (e.g. piloting the Falcon through the asteroid field).

    In TLJ, we see a Force-sensitive boy reaching for a broom. And there are and will be other examples of this extended connectivity.

    I think this all establishes some important concepts:

    Anyone can be a / the hero of the day.

    No one has an exclusive right to doing the right thing.

    The Force truly binds us all together.

    We are one with the Force, and the Force is with us.​
     
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    Basically a teachings from Lew'el,Legends of Luke Skywalker,canon novel.

    Your are correct.
     
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    Thanks, and thanks for the reference!

    The Luke Legends book is probably something I should read!
     
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    Pablo Hidalgo agrees with you.
     
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    Yes, but...

    The midichlorians do have a part to play beyond the Jedi narrative of the PT.
    The fact is, that midichlorians have been a part of Star Wars since we met Luke in ANH.
    He was "destined" to be a powerful Jedi like his father because of genetics - not belief.
    He still had to believe and train of course, but the midichlorians hinted at how powerful he could become.

    I'm undecided on what all this means for Rey.
    Has she been born with a high midichlorian count that has aided her ascendency in the Force?
    Did the Force imbue her with it later?
    Or is she a conduit for the Force itself?
    Is she just an ordinary person with an extraordinary heart and this is what has connected her to the Force (leaving midis to one side)?
     
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    I like this poll. If I were a betting woman I'd say that LFL tried option A first,, and actually have now abandoned it for something closer to option B. Rey had to be random as a plot device to save screen time considering everything that had to be accomplished in this trilogy, but I think they still ran out of time.

    LFL tried to do too much with the ST. They should have closed out the main story arc of Luke, Han and Leia first, then gone with new people. In the process they shortchanged many of the characters somewhat. I believe Rey is random just to save time on explaining her backstory & skills. The concept of "anyone can be a Jedi" is a clever cover for these decisions.

    Remember that initially we were told the SW saga would go on forever, with a new main-sequence film alternating with a spinoff. Then, just before TLJ is released, comes word that the next trilogy will not only have nothing to do with the Skywalkers, but it won't even be set in a GFFA. There is no ongoing legacy for Rey, no post-SKywalker era that we will ever see. It's done.

    So now the new characters aren't actually Rey, Finn, Poe etc. they're going to be an entirely new group. I don't think this was the original plan- there was quite a focus on Rey in the first movie. But the focus shifted away from her in TLJ. I expect the final movie to be more or less about wrapping up the Skywalker saga. They've realized that's all there's time for.

    We now know Rey will have a much shorter story arc than the extended Skywalker family members and even Obi-Wan. By going with Rey Random they tried to not spend screen time on her history. Sometimes she's compared to Anakin, but it's not at all similar- we had a whole movie devoted to him as a child and as divisive as that story was for the fans- at least we had it.

    It also makes her seem two-dimensional in comparison to Kylo, who was literally born with a complex history and easily-developed backstory to explain how Ben became Kylo Ren. That's why I fully expect he will be the main character in movie IX, unless we are surprised with a not-random origin for Rey that suddenly weaves her into the main story.
     
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    In most metaphysical teachings causality is often originated in the higher planes and it flows downwards, towards the more dense or more material planes like the physical. I never understood people's problem with midichlorians since my interpretation has always been that the force is the cause and they are the effect. What I'm trying to say is someone is not strong in the force because he has a high midichlorian count, but instead they have a high midichlorian count because they are strong in the force.
    So in regards to your question towards Rey I would say that whether she was imbued with the force before, during or after birth, her physiology would have changed to reflect her strong connection to the force by creating the appropriate amount of midchlorians.
     
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    Interesting POV. I like it.
     
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