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SPECULATION I believe Luke will resist training Rey

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Bluemilk, Sep 11, 2016.

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  1. Bluemilk

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    The whole point of VII for the most part was to find Luke and bring him back.

    That was Leia's hope. Rey also just wants Luke to take the saber she told Maz she never wants to touch again, even though she does handing it to Luke.

    Plus are Chewie and R2 just gonna hang around while he trains Rey? They are waiting for her to come back with him.

    I think this training is not going to be like we think it will be. Rian stated in VIII he was going to delve into the characters and they will be tested.

    It's going to take some real strong arming to get Luke to train Rey and for Rey to want to be trained.

    Although after witnessing the death of Han and near death of Finn maybe Rey will want revenge, but I have a feeling just at the end of VII she thinks all of this is over. Hand over the saber, be done with it and bring Luke back.

    To convince Luke to train Rey will take something more deeper than revenge, or anything else. It's going to take something worth it.

    I know some expect right off this training and I just don't believe it will happen. Probably happen more towards the ending of VIII when Luke starts trusting himself again.
     
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    I agree that Luke will likely be hesitant about taking on another student, considering what happened to one of his former students. However, I felt that Rey embraced her destiny at the end of TFA and had decided to become a Jedi.
     
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    I agree with this 100%. In Rey's Story, it makes reference to Leia being proud of her decision to be trained as a Jedi. I think she has accepted her destiny and I also think Luke will be hesitant.
     
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    Yes, I also think Luke will be hesitant to train Rey in the ways of the force. But the mighty and wise Jedi-Master Yoda will eventually convince Luke to take Rey as his student.
     
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    I also agree that Luke will be harder and reluctant to train Rey. I would indeed prefer a training while on a mission, but if they stay for the majoriy on Ach-to, I doubt we will get this.
     
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    I don't think they will stay on Ach-to the whole time, but I bet he will not agree to train her until the third of the movie. I know that's not what people want.
     
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    Luke being reluctant to train Rey would allow for some entertaining character development.
    I'm sure this could be done well - although I'm a little wary about "training on a mission" after AOTC. I never really empathised with Anakin as much as I would have liked without seeing his character grow and bond with Obi-Wan the way Obi implied in ANH. Hearing about it in character exposition didn't cut it for me. It seems to me TESB managed to provide solid character development, impart Jedi/Force wisdom and story intrigue just with some single location scenes and a muppet. I'm sure 8 could do the same. (Not meaning to imply Hamill is a muppet!)
     
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    The reason that I think that the Episode VIII will start where TFA left off is that Luke knows more about who Rey is. Either he is her father or he knows her parents. Because Obi-Wan hid the truth about Luke's father, I do not think that Luke will do the same to Rey. However, any revelation about Rey's parentage should be done on screen.
     
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    What kind of Jedi wouldn't resist training this? Much anger I sense...

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    Well to be fair she was defending herself from being stalked by a monster in a mask, interrogated and held hostage. I'd be angry too
     
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    I don't see why. There's a new threat that needs to be dealt with and she's proven herself by defeating Kylo and finding him. You make some arguments for why Rey might not want to be trained by no arguments for why Luke wouldn't train her. As for your arguments about her not wanting to train, none of them make sense to me. She was against the "destiny" thing and just wanted to return to Jakku...but then she was captured by the first order, tapped into the force, and defeated Kylo. Then when she had the chance to go back to Jakku she went to Luke instead. It makes no sense that she would do that just to act as a glorified courier if she was still so dead set on getting back to Jakku and ignoring the force and her destiny.
     
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    If you haven't watched the animated Clone Ward series, you should. There is more of the relationship building between Obi Wan and Anakin that you didn't get in the movies.
     
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    I said nothing about Luke never training her. I said he would resist and would take convincing and wouldn't happen right off in VIII.

    And there is no indication Rey wants to be trained. In fact it points to the opposite. Just because she beat Kylo doesn't mean Luke is gonna be imptessed about it and jump at the chance of training her immediately.

    The threat has been around for awhile and Luke hasn't came back. Maz was convinced he could and that was Rey's mission. Not to go find him to be trained.

    It's going to happen just now in the sequence or how we think.
     
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    Luke could be more of a pacifist/peaceful Jedi at this point if he didn't already go in that direction after the fall and disappearance of the Empire. If he hasn't been out there fighting the First Order for years then what's his problem, ya know?
     
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    I want to think that Luke is the same jedi from ESB where his emotions are volatile enough to where he is reckless at times which is partially (could be) why the fall of HIS ORDER is his fault and he wouldn't have fought the first order directly because they weren't affecting his order and his friends directly and I bet he didn't want to be "protectors of the peace" like what his dad was a part of .
     
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    Hmmm... Hesitant he may be but I don't think he will resist training her. If he takes two hours to make up his mind it will be a pretty dull movie.
     
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    there was a rumor Rey ends on Jakku in VIII in her AT home and signing another day of waiting. So maybe Luke just says no to any training in the end. That would be funny. :p
     
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    this is one reason Luke might hesitate. Rey has a lot to be angry about.
    there's a reason Luke's sitting out on that island and not fighting with the Resistance right now.
    part of it may be that he's sorting through his own emotions about what's happened.
    dealing with hers as well could be a burden he's not ready to accept right off the bat.

    but he will. and she will. and all will be well.
     
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    Then you must've thought ESB was pretty dull then because it was about an hour and a half in when Yoda starts training Luke
     
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    I personally am going to have to agree with Luke being hesitant to train Rey. Now, Rey may have made the decision to ask Luke to train her as is reflected in "Rey's Story", but as we saw the movie (well, I personally), thought that Rey was actually only going there with no more intent than to find Luke for the Resistance and hand-over the saber...now we know different.

    I DO think however that perhaps Luke knew (through the Force) that Rey was coming, and also knows who she is but has made up his mind that he's going to decline the opportunity to train her based on his own insecurities. As (like in ESB) that Luke will concede and begin her training as he will see her strength in the force, and perhaps believes that she is some kind of "Chosen One" (I know, I know) that has the potential to be a very powerful Jedi.....but he'll keep those thoughts to himself until later.
     
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