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RUMOR I broke the recent news on MvS's character. Let's discuss.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by EricHizzo, Apr 21, 2015.

  1. EricHizzo

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    Hey guys,

    This is EricHizzo from reddit. I leaked the information on Max Von Sydow's back story. My post also included some stuff about Kylo Ren's back story. If you want you can private message me on reddit - say "The Force" and I'll respond with "Awakens" to prove it is me.

    For reference:
    http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/0...-new-planet-jakku-from-the-force-awakens.html

    Anyways, I have some good news and some bad news.

    Good news:
    I know more than ever that my source is legit. In my original thread I said my source works in Hollywood but acknowledged that he has no connection to TFA's production. My source went to Northwestern University and majored in English. He lives in LA and his social circle is other writers. He was giving me a hard time for doubting him - so he told me his information ("just because my source was not on TFA's set doesn't mean it is not a legit source silly") comes from an author who will be writing a new EU novel that has yet to be announced. The plot is about the aftermath of the Battle of Jakku, more specifically the first settlers. Again, the first settlers are the surviving crew of a crashed Star Destroyer and MvS was the commanding officer of the Star Destroyer. The crew are stranded. The 'first responders' aren't interested in rescuing anyone. They are there to loot. The novel is a story about MvS' crew surviving against the elements and hostile pirates that show up shortly after the battle. (Speculation on my part - it would be cool if it were Cad Bane or Hondo who show up to give the survivors hell. Hondo because, well, he is a pirate. Cad Bane because maybe MvS has a bounty on his head :D)

    Bad News:
    1. If this guy was hired to write a story about Jakku, not sure how he knows about the Kylo Ren stuff. Writer's are a gossipy bunch so maybe he knows someone who was hired to write a Ren novel.
    2. My source didn't think my reddit post would make sites such as SW7N and now that it has he is doing damage control and refusing to leak anything else. So my second bad news is that I have nothing new for you guys. I am going to be honest with you guys: Now that I have people's attention I considered making stuff up to extend my 15 seconds of fame. I decided against it. I've said everything I know.

    Done with news. I'm almost certain the MvS stuff is true. Unfortunately, the Ren stuff is much more interesting :(. I can't sit here and say I'm certain it is legit like I can with MvS' back story. My source says it is legit, but there is simply no evidence.

    Assuming the Ren stuff is true, I have some clarification for you guys. People in the comments of the article referenced above were discussing things such as "maybe he is claiming to be Vader's heir, or whatever." Ren is literally claiming to be Darth Vader, in the flesh. He is saying I am Darth Vader, I survived the Death Star explosion (the audience knows this is not true). Ren is a very mysterious character. He has almost no back story. I said this in my reddit post but SW7N didn't report it: The first scene of the movie is Finn finding out he has been promoted to Ren's elite unit of storm troopers. They immediately leave on a mission. I don't know any details about the mission but this mission is the scene from the second trailer - night time with Ren in action. Apparently Finn sees Ren in action (brutal, violent, no empathy), is like F this, and deserts. That is the beginning of the movie.

    Anyways, this means by the beginning of the movie, Ren is already an established presence in the First Order with his own squadron of Storm Troopers. People within the First Order are very skeptical of his Vader claims, but if you question his claim, you get squashed. "Oh you don't think I am Darth Vader? Here's a force choke for you." "I heard you are going around telling people I am not Darth Vader. Guess what, I just showed up at your house and force lightning'ed your entire family" (previous two quotes I made up). Whether or not Ren, in his own mind, actually believes he is Vader I don't know.

    END OF STUFF FROM MY SOURCE. EVERYTHING AFTER THIS IS PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART:

    So, Ren is claiming to literally be Vader? At first I thought that was stupid. The more I think about it, the more I think it is kind of cool. We've heard rumors about a Sith artifact collector. Maybe the Vader helmet we see in the trailer is in Ren's possession, after Ren collected it, and he's like see I'm Vader, here's my helmet. It got damaged so I made a new one. If you think about it, Ren's outfit covers him completely from head to toe. Vader was completely covered too. If my source is wrong about Ren, I think JJ and company could have been much more original with Ren's design. He looks cool and all, but he looks WAY too similar to Vader.

    Maybe Ren decided the path to power would be easier if he claimed to be Vader. The name Vader demands respect and authority. If his dark side 'coming out party' was as someone new, it would take a long time to earn respect. Maybe he doesn't have time?

    My prediction is Ren won't be like Maul and Ren's story will continue on in the other movies. Furthermore, I think he is going to be our ESB moment guy. Who he actually is will be a huge reveal in episode 8. Finally, I think that Ren will be defeated in 7 but Serkis' character, a true Sith Lord (it's Plagueis guys. I'd be willing to be the house on it), will expose himself, tell Ren he has potential, and take Ren as his apprentice. Ren will then take on an original Darth name.

    Anyways, enough of my wall of text. Like I said, I've said everything I know. You can ask questions and I may be able to offer some clarification, but I can't offer anything brand new. I look forward to speculating with you guys though!

    Thanks for your time,
    EricHizzo

    Edit - spelling error
     
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    So Ren isn't as rumored a Solo?
     
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    I don't know. He could be. We know he isn't Darth Vader. Like I said my prediction is that the revelation of who he actually is will be the big reveal moment of episode 8. Also a couple people have messaged me asking if it is Vader's force ghost under all that armor. Stop. Anakin has a force ghost, not Vader.
     
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    Thanks for sharing Eric!
     
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    Thanks for sharing, but I don't buy any of it. Especially the Kyle Ren stuff.
     
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    If he claims to be Vader in the movie, why would he be referred to as Kylo Ren? Wouldn't everyone (in the movie) just call him Darth Vader? It doesn't really make sense for him to change his name if he claims to be Vader, except he's pulling the psychic card, saying the explosion of Death Star II left some "deep scars" and he couldn't just continue to be called Darth Vader.. except everyone who doesn't call him that will be force choked or else. It's confusing.
     
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    While this is very interesting I feel maybe 50% of it is on. Nothing against Eric I just think it's a the more the story was passed on the more details were muddied up a bit. I don't really want to see Kylo calling himself Vader but I'm not saying it is impossible. HOWEVER I bet he is exposed quickly whenever Luke comes into the picture and Kylo's position of power is threatened. Like I mentioned before it makes sense that we know who Kylo is and Uber is the only character in the movie that knows. He is Kylo Ren everyone else knows him by Darth something. I refuse to except Uber is Plagueis but that's just me. Thanks for sharing though.
     
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    I just realized you said Serkis is Plagueis. Thanks but, you lost your credibility there.
    @EricHizzo
     
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    Thanks for sharing and this is very interesting. However....

    Characters in the film can speculate about Ren not being Vader as he claims but (as you say) the audience will know he is not Vader. In fact, we have official confirmation of his name: Kylo Ren. So how is this conveyed to the audience? What is the narrative device that allows a character to claim to be someone else so convincingly that characters in the story are unsure of his identity, yet we the audience know the truth? This is an interesting dynamic, but there has to be at least one other character for Kylo to interact with who both knows and uses his real name, otherwise how would we learn it. Would this be "Uber"?

    So as interesting as your information is, it raises more questions that it answers. But it does make some sense, so thanks again....
     
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    I said Serkis was Plagueis in the section in which I headlined as being 100% speculation on my part and not from my source. I thought I made it clear I was in no way trying to pass that off as fact.
     
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    But why do you think that? There's no proof just wild speculation and wet fanboy dreams.
     
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    We, the audience, know the truth because we saw the real Vader being burned at the end of ROTJ. We saw him die.
    Speculation: people within the First Order are more and more starting to think that he might actually be Vader. His squadron of storm troopers are zealots who are 100% convinced.
    However, characters such as Luke, Leia, and Han know the truth. They know he is Kylo Ren, whoever Kylo Ren is.
     
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    pretty sure I'm
    Going to put 1000 credits down that we were given Kylo's names the reverse order of Vaders and his last name has been with held. His real name is Kylo Ren Solo or Skywalker and everyone else knows him by Darth something. Who want to bet me in the casino haha. @Darth Lexor Kai ?
     
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    Does it matter why I think that? I just do. In the context of this thread it doesn't matter what I think. My source is the one who leaked this stuff, I was just the messenger boy.
     
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    I think that was just speculation....

    That works. But it would have been useful if you included that in your original post, that's kinda important--instead of waiting for someone to point out a hole then coming back with an imediate explantaion. Anyway....

    So Finn is promoted to Darth Vader's special forces and then deserts when he realises that the infamous and fearsome Sith Lord Darth.... Vader.... is.... evil?!! Hmm, not standing up too well is it....
     
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    I'll pony up 100 credits and go in with you.
    Just curious on how you came to conclusion. I thought it might be via your insider knowledge.
     
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    lol. you now i love to bet. I think you have made a pretty fair assumption so ill sit this one out. :D
     
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    Nope. But just because I like talking Star Wars I think the evidence pointing to Plagueis is: Serkis is a mo cap actor and Plagueis isn't human. Plagueis is canon and having him as a villian would be a good link to the previous movies.

    Just curious, is there any evidence out there that suggests Uber is definitely not Plagueis?
     
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    Hahahaha damn.
     
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    Not that I'm aware of, just nothing suggesting Plagueis will be in.
     
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