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I have a bad feeling...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Madmartigan, Dec 31, 2017.

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How do you feel about not hearing the line in The Last Jedi?

  1. I give no importance to this. Move on, move on.

  2. I can hear clearly. It's really cool that BB8 says the line.

  3. I think it's true BB8 says it but I would prefer another character.

  4. It's ok but I would prefer it in an understandable way.

  5. I can't hear it but I am ok with the way it appears.

  6. It's the better way to move forward with the franchise.

  7. It really bothers me not hearing the line in The Last Jedi.

  8. Seems the director gives no importance to little things.

  9. Not hearing the line it seems disrespectful to the 40 year old tradition.

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  1. Madmartigan

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    It seems Rian says BB8 gives us the famous saga line "I have a bad feeling about this", one of the greatest traditions in SW films, like opening crawl, Wilhelm scream, "May the Force be with you" or the ignition of a lightsaber .

    But this afirmation probably could lead in a some kind of discussion, if he says it to satisfy the audience, if it's the real purpose, or other mixed feelings.

    Would love to hear some thoughts from you, always with respect, no offensive language and constructive opinions.

    It bothers you not to hear the line in a understandable way?

    Do you think it's not a big deal?

    Do you think it's a lack of respect to this saga tradition not hearing it?

    Do you think the risk has taken the director has gone too far with this little things?

    Do you think is the better way to move forward with the franchise?
     
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    I really couldn't care less, it took me two full viewings before I realized I didn't hear it. It's just not something I look out for. And truth be told, apart from ANH, ESB and TPM... I'd be lying if I said I knew exactly where it was said in the other films.

    It's consistent with Rian's "abandonment" or "de-idolization" (quotes for subjective purposes) of classic Star Wars tropes but I don't see it as a big thing either way. It doesn't ruin anything, but at the same time they're small, pretty insignificant things and it's not like they hinder the progression of the franchise.
     
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    It's not a big deal. There's no "seems' about it, BB-8 says the line. It's a clever way to get the line into the film.
     
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    like everything else people think Johnson "abandoned" it's in there, just in a way you don't necessarily expect.
     
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    I liked.
    I tought about this before the ST was released. But my idea was with Chewie and the subtitle in english. But RJ choose BB-8 so its fine to me.
     
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    I just hope that whoever says it in IX gets the answer -Happy beeps buddy, happy beeps...
     
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    I didn't notice the absence of "bad feeling" line or the scream at all until I heard about it months later in a podcast. Just now I found out the scream isn't in Rogue one either.

    I have no objection to the scream or the dialogue being used or not being used.

    It will be fun finding out where in the move BB-8 says it and fair play to Johnson for doing yet another element of the franchise fresh and new,
     
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    it's at the beginning. right before they attack the Finalizer when Poe says: "Happy beeps, buddy. Happy beeps."
     
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    It furthers my narrative that TLJ is a fine standalone movie, but not a good Saga movie. If you watch it (not thinking about the Saga/Big Picture), this line is doesn't really matter. If you watch it as part of the Saga, it's a staple of every SW movie. There are a bunch of character arc/plot points that feel the same for me as they work when I watch it as TLJ, but don't work when I watch it as Episode 8.
     
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    By "fun finding out" I meant trying to figure out where or hearing it in the Johnson commentary? :(

    Ah well :p
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 23, 2019, Original Post Date: Feb 23, 2019 ---
    You are basing your opinion on whether or not TLJ is good on one line of dialogue and one sound effect ?

    And apparently the line doesn't matter because it is spoken by a droid ? That's technophobia, man. That is just wrong.
     
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    I said this ‘furthers my narrative,’ meaning I have many other reasons why I feel TLJ is an entertaining standalone film but a bad Saga film. I didn’t want to go through my list of reasons why cause I didn’t want to derail this thread into a TLJ bashing/gushing thread point for point so I just focused on the OP’s question.

    Just for the record, I’m still and will probably always be mixed on this movie for this reason so I don’t hate nor love it. I can name about 10 things in TLJ that don’t work as part of the Saga. But I still feel the movie is well done if I watch it as it’s own entity and don’t think of the Saga.
     
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    IMO a director shouldn't be forced to shoehorn this line into the movie if it just doesn't fit. I'd rather have good dialogue than nostalgic callbacks.

    That said, I could've easily seen this line working when Finn/Rose/DJ sneak onto the Star Destroyer in disguise. They enter that big hangar full of troopers and Finn could mutter "I've got a bad feeling about this."

    Or Poe could've said it when Holdo gets up to give her speech :p
     
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    I don't think it's just a narrative, I think it's the truth. Rian probably could've done well with one of the stand alone movies or even conceivably he could have done a great new trilogy since he wouldn't have to deal with existing story points, established galactic dynamics, and legacy characters with established arcs. Many of my qualms with TLJ deal with it's clumsy and erratic treatment of continuity and existing story points. They simply do not work for the Skywalker Trilogy. Perhaps they would have been fine for an un-established corner of the galaxy.

    As for not having the signature line in the movie, it's just more of Rian "Rian-ing". He colors outside the lines in places where there is no need to do so and folks attribute it to art.
     
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    It's a nice tradition in the saga films and it's creative how RJ used it in the TLJ. What is so great about Rian Johnson is that he was able to make something fresh and new in a film that's part 8 of a saga. I've probably seen the movie 30+ times (thanks NetFlix) and it's just an amazing accomplishment.

    Disney hit it out of the park with hiring Rian Johnson. Hopefully it works out and he's able to make a new series. Lucasfilm needs to keep creative people like Rian Johnson around.
     
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    There seems to be some confusion.

    The line is in the movie.
     
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    It is in the movie, the problem is no moviegoer understands BB-8! lol! We were even subverted for 'I got a bad feeling' from Rian Johnson!
     
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    We only have ourselves to blame for not being able to communicate in droid. :(

    This wouldn't happen in the Star Trek fandom with something a Klingon said. :eek:
     
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    I didn't say it was your only basis, only that it was a basis.

    Regardless, it is still a pretty bizarre point to have a problem with.

    And I'd just like to point out once again to all the people who do have an issue with it - the "bad feeling" dialogue IS in the movie.
     
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    Why? Cause maybe cause it’s clearly said in ALL 7 Saga movies before it? TLJ is not a standalone movie, it’s a SAGA movie that has to fit the narrative with the other 7 (eventual 9 movies together). I would have said the same thing if Episode 8 did not have an opening crawl too, as that would seem out of place after the last 7 Saga movies had them.

    I never said it was a deal breaker, I just said it furthered my narrative of countless other things in TLJ that pretty much disregard the other 7 Saga movies.

    If we all would have just taken BB-8 language in high school instead of Spanish or French, we would have totally gotten it in TLJ!
     
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    Why? Because it isn't important.

    It is a piece of throw away dialogue that has no impact on plot, mythology or character.

    There was a lot of people crying into their pillows that Star Wars isn't Star Wars without the Fox logo and overture. I believe there was a petition to as Disney buy it or something.

    It is just silly and is of no importance.

    Complain all you like, but the dialogue is there. It is not Rian Johnson's fault that we did not have the imagine to figure it out.
     
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