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SPECULATION I just realized something about Rey.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Pomojema, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. Pomojema

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    Namely, concerning her family. I just came to think about this one line from Kylo Ren: "...Han Solo. You feel like he's the father you never had. He would have disappointed you."

    Let's analyze that middle phrase - "the father you never had" - on a different level. At face value, it's a statement akin to "he's like a dad to you", but it can also mean that during the five years that Rey did have a family, there wasn't the presence of a patriarchal guardian to take care of her.

    I came to this conclusion: Rey did not have a father figure to look toward before she was abandoned on Jakku. This would mean that Rey was abandoned by her mother and at least one other family member (as Maz's comments about Rey's family not coming back are definitely plural), which would most likely be a sibling in this case. Whomever was Rey's father was not with the rest of her family when she was abandoned, and they may not even know that she exists.

    So I'd like to add this train of thought as a potential check in favor of the "Rey Skywalker" theory. It wouldn't necessarily be a matter of Luke abandoning her so much as he could have placed her under the care of her mother to focus on helping the revive the Jedi. Rey's mother, then, could have left her on Jakku for a selfish reason or to keep her "safe".
     
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    Interesting observation.

    So, like Anakin, Rey could have been raised without a father figure in that line of thought. This goes inline with the possibility of Rey, like Anakin before her, being the result of a "convergence" of the force, where the midichlorians themselves could have made Rey's mother pregnant (who ever she is), like assumed by Qui-Gon Jinn in Star Wars I for Anakin's case.

    I know these are controversial topics (midichlorians and the fact that Rey could be related to Anakin or how Anakin first came to be). But then, how can we explain Rey's sheer power otherwise, where she can resist and even fight back Kylo without knowing what's happening to her? Being the result of a "force convergence", like Anakin, related to Anakin or perhaps just a new manifestation of it, could be an interesting twist that would fit with the series quite well, in my opinion.

    I don't mean to hijack your thread, as I understand that you're favoring a "Rey Skywalker" (daughter of Luke) theory. I just thought that your observation that Rey could have been raised without a father figure could have even a deeper meaning than an absent father, perhaps because there was none in the first place.
     
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    I really think that they're going to stay away from the "touched by the Midichlorians" route because not only did they already do that, but the concept that it's tied to is something that a lot of Star Wars fans like to ignore. Plus, the whole "virgin birth" thing loses its charm if it happens to more than one person. It also seems like it would be going out of the way to make sure that Luke never procreated.
     
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    Completely agree with your line of logic here - from what we saw in the TFA Rey was clearly old enough to remember the "family" that left her, and given Kylo's words that obviously means a father figure was not part of that group.

    Another thing worth considering is that Maz never actually refers to them as her family, rather "whomever". The fact that her lines were written in this very neutral way could well be taken as something of a clue...

    I think it plays into the Rey Skywalker theory as well, but rather than knowingly letting Rey leave under her mother's protection, I like the idea that the mother left, sensing a great danger - in a parallel with the prequels, with the Jedi not sensing the danger from Sidious, Luke and his group failed to sense the darkness of Snoke, yet somehow this, as yet, unknown woman did, and took Rey away from the whole Jedi order to what she perceived would be safety.
     
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    I think that Kylo Renn referring to Han as her "father figure" could be a clue that he is her father. First of all... how does Kylo know she didn't have a father figure? Was he able to pull that from her mind? OR... does he know, because Rey is his sister and HE left her on Jakku with Uncar Plutt? And perhaps the line "... he would have disappointed you." was meant quite literally and not as a metaphor for Kylo's upbringing at all. Just a thought.
     
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    Yes he pulled that from her mind. But I agree with the OP. Her father wasn't in her life. Only her mother and a sibling or something.

    But it still begs the questions of, who is her father? And is it important? Will it matter?
     
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    I believe that Pablo Hidalgo has already debunked this, and J. J. Abrams said that the two never met prior to the attack on Takodana. The timeline suggests that Rey would have been dumped on Jakku while Ben was a young teenager, and that she would have lived on her own for years at the time that Ben betrayed Luke (estimated to be about six or so years before TFA with the big reveal of Bloodline in mind). So the short of it is that the two may be related, but that they never knew each other.
     
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    Are we thinking Han could have been a bit of a scoundrel after he and Leia went in different directions when Ben de-railed?
     
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    Or Kylo’s just saying Han’s the type of father she’d wished she had - one that wouldn’t have abandoned her. "He would have disappointed you" though.
     
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    Just posted this in another thread but is a good fit here as well...

    Ridley did say in an interview that she thought her parentage was pretty obvious in TFA and was surprised that people didn't get it. Either she is a very cagey individual having fun with the fans or else she is a Skywalker or Solo. Also in the novelization for TFA, Snoke and Ren exchange a line that didn't make it onto screen to the effect of "It is her" (the missing one or the one they have been searching for).

    After the way Luke and Leia were hidden from Vader and the Emperor, I don't know why people are having a hard time believing that Luke would have done the same once Snoke was revealed to be evil and had corrupted Ben. The only leap in logic is that instead of hiding her away as an infant so she wouldn't have any memory of the truth, she was mind wiped by Luke to protect her. This even makes sense when you realize how she was able to tap into the Force once she made mental contact with Kylo. She had simply reopened a door onto her early training that had been closed by Luke. And finally, why Jakku? Because there was some ancient Force artifact there that had been uncovered by the Emperor and it was a perfect shield for anyone looking for her in the Force. The couldn't see her dim presence under the overpowering glare of whatever it was that made Jakku important in the first place.

    I'll have to revisit this theory after reading Empires' End, but it fits right now while not being too much of a stretch for a space opera about a single family, a prophecy, and good versus evil. I go back and forth on Solo or Skywalker, but in the end it isn't that important.
     
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    I think that they've said that Leia would never have had an extramarital affair, but I wouldn't rule one out for one happening with Han. And technically, they split ways starting around the time that Ben left.

    That being said, I think that if we see another kid with the Solo name, it won't be Rey.
     
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    Hahahahaha - no way though, right? Regardless of whether he’d be the type to cheat, there’s no chance they’d make Han Solo an adulterer at this point. Not after the character’s death and the actual passing of Carrie Fisher. That ship is holy ground now.
     
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    I don't think I would rule out Han having a child from before he got married to Leia, though.
     
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    I think it's cute you used the singular "a child" not "children" ;)
     
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    Yeah, can't say I'd be all that surprised either. A half Twi'lek somewhere out there with a chip on its shoulder :)
     
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    Damn! You're right. I do remember hearing that now that you mention it.
    Thanks!
     
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    In my opinion, it actually implies the exact opposite. When would anyone ever say, "Your actual father is like the father you never had"?
     
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    If your bio-dad was a total scumbag you might wish you had a better one. Maybe one who wouldn’t, oh let’s say, abandon you in an arid hellscape in the care of a morally corrupt slave driver. That guy would then be the “father you never had”. Make sense?
    “Family” can refer to a single relative. It was likely left ambiguous on purpose to perpetuate the mystery.
     
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    I rewatched TFA last night and caught a line that I had mentally skipped over before. When Kylo Ren is attempting to probe Rey's mind he says "You've been so lonely. So afraid to leave. At night, desperate to sleep, you'd imagine an ocean. I can see it, I can see the island."

    I don't believe this is just a throwaway line. Either Rey was having visions of the future or she was remembering her time on an island with her family. IE: Luke and Ahch-to.
     
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    I assumed it meant she was having dreams (Force visions) about finding Luke. His finding Ahch-to, I thought, was a fairly recent development.
     
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