I Now Fear An Obi Wan Movie

I had a huge reply typed out, just deleted it. Tired of getting sucked into these conversations. Suffice it to say I disagree with just about everything you’ve said.

 

Co-signed. Yikes.

 

Oh, that's how I felt about my relatives as I was growing up.
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Hey, remember that scene, where Darth Vader complained to his girlfriend about the sand, that get's everywhere. Like, everywhere, you know. In every crack.

 

i did the same. it's becoming so hard not to reply instantly to this Star Wars bashing with something that isn't argumentative and making things worse.

it's gone past venting.. it's moving into an area now where some people are logging in daily just to spray negativity and wind the rest of us up.

 

You thought Luke was a narcissist? Wut? If anything, Luke was a broken old man who thought he failed the galaxy. That's like the exact opposite of a narcissist. Yoda's whole message to Luke was "the greatest teacher, failure is." It wasn't just "Lulz, whatevs...later!" What does Han know about being a Dad? He never had one. Hell, even he had a "deadbeat" Dad by the look of it. Leia took out Starkiller Base, and you say she's a failure? It's the second act, you're supposed to fail. Lando... thats when he's supposed to have his change of heart. He's not supposed to yet. He's a foil to Han, he's not supposed to change.

 

Han: a smuggler who knew he wouldn't be a great father, but he still tried his best. Yes, he failed, but he died for his son to bring him back. => a great and loving father
Leia: Leia wasn't alone with the Rebellion back then. Now she has almost no supporters and she still managed to destroy Star Killer Base. What a failure...
Luke: A realistic depiction of a hero, a legend who tried too much. He was cocky as a Jedi Knight and it came back to him as a master. But in the end he came back to save the day one last time. Luke was one of the few good elements of TLJ
Yoda: Yoda was exactly like in TESB.

I can say much about young Han and Lando because a prequel has always the problem of showing no progression or of showing a completely different character we are used to.

I hope it happens. Furthermore I want Obi-Wan to be even more broken and desperate than Luke. This shouldn't be an action movie about a Jedi doing badass stuff. No, it should be a journey of self-discovery.

 

Now that this point/question has been raised, I am beginning to agree.

If you think about it, Obi-Wan would want to be unknown and stay out of the way, not stick out as a target for the Empire. That's why he turned into a hermit who lived on his own and used the name Ben. And while he lived quietly out of the way, he'd keep an eye on Luke.

To go off on adventures and attract attention during the 19 years between Episodes III and IV would not be in the spirit of the character of Obi-Wan. His visits away from home as a hermit would be limited out to Space Walmart in Anchorhead, or for a drink at Chalmun's Cantina in Mos Eisley.

I do not think the Rebels episode of him meeting with Maul again was in keeping with the original character of Obi-Wan. It was an episode that was created to serve fan service, for the viewing figures and advertisers revenue in the commercial breaks.

I would rather not know what happened in the 19 years. The imagination is better at creating the story, rather than cramming years worth of dictated new Lucas Story Group "history" into a 2-3 hour long film in a bad way that Solo did that was rushed and not believable.

 

I agree to being nervous about an Obi Wan film but after watching Solo i am more relaxed about it. The worry i have about these one off films about these characters is that we already have such a preconceived idea about what they should be like based off the films and them in later life. The stand alone films have to stay true to the character we all now they grew into. If they make an Obi Wan film based in those 19 years between ROTS and ANH he has to be true to the character that Sir Alec Guinness introduced us to otherwise it doesn't work.

 

@DeakStarkiller, you got a great way of discuss things... Sorry, but that's stupid and not how it works.

You didn't even give arguments yourself. Just interpreations of stuff without evidence but personal feelings. I gave you my interpreations of the exact same things. If you don't take it, I can't help you.

I'm not defending anything. I'm actually someone who is criticizing the new Star Wars movies, but I'm doing this by the help of a reasonable nature. I don't like TLJ for the most parts, but I can still appreciate the things I liked. It's not only love or hate you know. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Actually there are. Bloodline, Last Shot etc. Han was a bad parent and he knew it, but he also tried to become better. Unfortunately he failed. A failure he tried to make up for.

Then you missed the point of how discussions work.

 

I don't agree with some of your character assessments there, they are much to simplified and don't do there story arc justice.

Han: Struggles with parenthood and doesn't know how to deal with his failure when his son turns to Snoke so he goes back to what he does best as he thinks he is better out of the way. The Han we knew was never paternal in the OT so why people are so shocked and upset with this i don't really understand.
Leia: She no longer has any power or credibility after her parentage was revealed to the senate before the rise of the First Order. She can only call on very close allies who stuck by her so her power and influence is broken. She has held the rag tag bunch of fighters together against the First Order by sheer force of personality and that doesn't diminish her if anything it strengthens her character.
Luke: Has been burdened with being the only hope for the Jedi since he was a teenager and constantly has to live with being the son of Darth Vader. He failed to bring back the Jedi and so has chosen seclusion and has concluded that the Jedi religion should die with him which is why he has cut himself off from the Galaxy. He sees himself as more harm than good.
Yoda: Yoda is a Force Ghost not quiet sure what you want him to do. He shows Luke his mistake in fixating on the past Jedi. He teaches Luke in a more subtle way than just telling him what the right thing to do is, that's what all good teachers do.
Young Han: He's a young man who's had a tough life and suddenly finds himself caught up with crime syndicates and smugglers groups. Of course they are going to treat him as a figure to be poked fun at that's what people do with young men who have a chip on their shoulder.
Lando: He's an interesting one as he is first and foremost a survivalist. He is a con man who will lie and cheat to gain an advantage as he does in Solo. He leaves as he has no stake in the story in Solo from then on, he already has suffered more than he bargained for. He is not close to Han at this point and feels no loyalty to him. ESB he does betray Han to save his own skin, a trait he displays in Solo, but he regrets it and tries to atone, he obviously has known Han a long time at this point.

I don;t look at any of the characters mentioned above and think they have been reduced to a joke. I instead see characters to have changed and grown over a long period of time which people do in a good story. If they all stayed exactly the same and there was no change it would be the easy option in my opinion.

 

Books do count they're canon. Look it up, It takes like not even 5 minutes to do so.

 

Canon is canon. Accept it or hate it.

You read the script for Kenobi? Can you tell me more about it? Sorry to be like that, but stay with the facts.

The first version of R1 was a pure disaster, that's confirmed. Gareth needed help to save the movie. Kinda like Lucas did with the first Star Wars movie. Kinda interesting if you think about it.

Sorry, I thought this was a forum. The purpose of a forum is mainly to discuss.

Except for this:

... everything else was in the movies.

Tell me what you want to know and I will try my best to show you the scene (if there is a scene of course).

 

Ah, great, another thread created to poop on The Last Jedi... So fresh. So original...

*Cough*

*Cough*

 

I feel like I've seen this thread before...

Anyway, here's the deal: Honestly, the only reason I wouldn't want an Obi Wan movie is because of the ManBabies that would whine about it afterward. But in the end, I still get my film, so that's definitely a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Let them weep into the void until the end of time. What do we care?

 

But it isn't a plot hole though? The books work around the films, they add extra depth. If you want the entire history of the galaxy from the end of ANH to TFA in a movie instead of "some crummy books" then your going to be disappointed.