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I think RJ is better suited for his own trilogy

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by HothLeia, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. HothLeia

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    I had mixed feelings about TLJ. There were things I found innovative and neat and others I strongly disagreed with. However, I think RJ is one of those outside the box directors better suited for his own unique vision. I think he could have more freedom and flexibility with a new trilogy. I don't like he handled the old characters/and OT connections but I think he could bring something new to the table that doesn't touch the OT.
     
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    I would agree with you. I think he wanted to have a lot of freedom with TLJ and that didn't really mesh well with the already established arcs for characters from the OT. By having more of a blank slate to work with, I think he can create a new and interesting story that isn't like anything we have seen so far and isn't restricted by any content from the other films. I do hope he uses a little less humor than was in TLJ because a lot of that just felt off for me.
     
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    I agree with this also. Would have liked to see him use hos creativity on a new trilogy. Still think he should be let go after TLJ though, I think he will be damaged goods going forwards.
     
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    If you look at all of his movies you see that he wrote them by himself without any limitations or directions to take. This man needs full freedom to shine.
     
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    I would disagree about letting him go. I wasn't the biggest fan of TLJ, but I believe that having the freedom to play around with new ideas and concepts that aren't connected to the OT or PT will give fans that new content and stories without rehashing older content. Rian Johnson isn't a terrible director or writer, I just don't think he was the right choice for TLJ and that has more to do with the disconnect between how the trilogy should progress from director to director and the head canon that everybody had going into TLJ. If you eliminate the head canon elements and let him operate with a blank slate, you could be in for quite the treat and a great take on the story.
     
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    Exactly. I think someone like Ron Howard would have been good for TLJ, someone very familiar with the franchise. As for RJ I feel bad for the poor guy. Don't agree with everything he's done or said for sure, but he gets a lot of unwarranted hate. I just wish he never had TLJ and was just given his new trilogy. I think once the ST is over the fans will be ready and more open to the new ideas and unhinged creativity RJ can bring, as long as it is not deeply connected to core material.
     
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    And if anything, Lucasfilm learned that they need to stick to more established directors when it comes to content tied to the PT and OT which may not necessarily be a bad thing. This would allow the more creative directors to have their creative freedom while allowing the safer directors to focus on just continuing the stories from the OT and PT while keeping the fan base united.
     
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    The man who directed Brick, Brothers Bloom, Breaking Bad, Looper, and a Star Wars film that most people like is "damaged goods?" What is it about Star Wars that drives so much hyperbole? The only Star Wars directer right now that might be damaged is Edwards. He was basically benched because Rogue One was a mess and someone else came in and saved the project.

    As for Rian Johnson...
     
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    I agree. The last thing LFL needs is more controversy and a movie half the fandom will hate before it even comes out. Disney won't care if that's a unfair deal, they will only care about $$$.
     
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    Disney knows that those who don't like RJ aren't "half the fandom" which is why they're continuing with the film. I'm not sure where this "half the fandom" thing is coming from to be honest. It's certainly no readers of this site (most like TLJ). Kind of funny.... we were playing TLJ in our IT department today since it's on NetFlix and I work at a great company (it's Friday). 3 Star Wars fans and one guy who doesn't care that much but watches them anyway... none of them knew who directed the film.
     
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    It's amazing how whenever you have a point to state, you always have a convenient anecdote which supports what your saying. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Remember how I talked about the downward trend financially and you thought I was wrong? Well, I'm share the future with you once again: There will be no Rian Johnson trilogy (meaning there will not be a trilogy with all 3 movies being helmed by Rian Johnson the way he helmed E8). It ain't happening.
     
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    I always felt that there were certain elements in TLJ that rian probably didnt want to include in the movie but had to include because of continuity.

    This obviously won't be the case for his trilogy.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 30, 2018, Original Post Date: Jun 30, 2018 ---
    *Johnson will most likely only direct the first one, but will produce and write (maybe with a second writer) all three of them.

    Its his vision overall*
     
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    SW though it tosses a few surprises here and there-really is safer as "familiar" and universal territory, evident by TFA (which was generally liked more than TLJ but definitely not as daring). There are also a lot of things that simply can't be changed or shouldn't be changed. It's not really the property to experiment with or subvert too much.

    But RJ is bold and has lots of new takes on things that I think would work much better in his own trilogy without the stipulations and requirements attached to the familiar. He could do a lot and get pretty darn weird with it, and fans may even embrace it since they would have their safe zone in the Skywalker Saga. As long as he didn't toy too much with familiar elements, he really could have a galaxy of possibilities. He would have more time to devote to new characters (where in TLJ he really couldn't explore the new characters as more screen time had to be given -and rightfully so-to preexisting characters.) I think he could improve humor in his own trilogy as well. Perhaps he could bring a PG-13 arc better suited for older fans that is a little darker (a la Batman). I bet his humor would come across as more natural starting from a blank slate with a fresh story and new characters. I think his political side could be worked into the story in a way that flows better with the narrative and dialogue. I have nothing against politics in films, but I don't like the way it happened in TLJ -just too heavy handed, forced, and too much at once. (ANH's anti-authoritarian message and war/rebellion themes came across in a more timeless and natural way). With a new story, he could build on these themes in a more organic way that flows with the story, themes, and characters.


    I also wonder if they just bring Luke back in some satisfactory way if the fandom that doesn't like TLJ would forgive him. I know for me it would make me see TLJ in a completely different way and I would forgive many of its flaws.
     
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    This assumes that Solo is the result of a downward trend. It's not. Solo has a whole list of problems. Most reasonable people aren't blaming the hit Star Wars film from last year.
    Uh huh
    I'm confused... I just mentioned my three co-workers don't know who Rian Johnson is.... what position does that support? I very rarely talk to anyone who knows who Rian Johnson is other than massive film buffs.
     
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    My statement doesn't assume anything. It is a statement of fact and cannot be argued against by anyone with a knowledge of the facts and fact is Star Wars is on a downward trend financially.

    Reasonable people can disagree as to why there is a downward trend, but the trend itself is undeniable. Some of us were just aware of it before others, who were in denial.
    You tell me, you're the one who presented that point. Let's see... could it be because one poster said "Rian Johnson will be damaged goods" and you disagreed with that statement? And, to support your disagreement, you conveniently come up with an anecdote about how you just conveniently happened to be watching TLJ today with 3 co-workers who are Star Wars fans yet conveniently have no clue who Rian Johnson is?

    That's cool how I have to explain the reasoning to you of your own statements.
     
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    I said it was a funny story. That's it. I just thought it was odd they didn't know who directed the film. Very strange the story bothered you so much. It's obvious you're not interested in having a reasonable discussion. So I won't continue to go back and forth. May the force be with you!
     
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    Ah yes, it's truly the mark of a sincere fan to hate something before it is even seen. So genuine in judgment. Not "I'd be wary but give it a chance". Just, flat-out half the fandom would hate it before even seeing it. Or, did you actually confirm that from half the fandom? Or are you just putting yourself in the place of half the fandom at your whim? As if you ARE half the fandom?

    Well, at the very least, we know your sincerity in how you choose to hate Star Wars is clearly based on genuine and sincere judgment. As genuine and sincere as, is glass the right simile? I mean surely I'm not the only one who can just, feel the sincere care? It just glows like a little cherub's rosy cheeks.

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    Ok, so I've just finished watching Rian Johnson's last (for me) movie - Brother's Bloom. So, what can I say about him now: he has his own unique style, can construct cohesive and well thought-out narratives, puts attention to detail, can come up with creative ideas, can handle major movie production with noticeble problems.
    So yeah, I feel pretty confident and optimistic about Rian's upcoming Star Wars trilogy.
     
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    That's probably his weakest film, but I still really like it. Probably because me and my brother a really close in age. It has a few twists and turns. One thing that really excites me about RJ coming up with a story for a trilogy is that for those who like twists and a story that keeps you guess RJ could come up with something pretty special in his own story.

    I'm tired of Skywalkers. This new trilogy is severely limited by backstory and a sizable portion of the audience really wants more Skywalker kids. Luke is my favorite character, but he doesn't have to have offspring to be my hero and someone doesn't have to be related to him to be important. It would be great to get a story that's not about a teacher/student, that's not about an orphan, and that gives us something new.
     
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    Wow! If so he will easily set the pace and evolve the franchise beyond it's already legendary status.

    He already has the second greatest Star Wars film under his belt so the thought of him being an even better fit for his own stand alone material is hard to imagine. He is already the best director in the series and is still developing.
     
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