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I think Snoke was a jedi before

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Light Savior, Feb 11, 2016.

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Did you think that Snoke was a jedi first???

  1. Yes.

  2. No.

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  1. Light Savior

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    Ok guys.....This is my theory about Snoke.Everybody around the forum know that Snoke is the new villain in this new trilogy.Some friends thinks that he is Darth Plagueis.OK...BUT i was thinking about the line that Leia said to Han...."Snoke seduce him".It look that Leia,Han and Luke KNOWS who is Snoke.The name SnOke if you change the letter O for a A You have SnAke.In the bible we know that in the creation GOD made Adan and Eva.It was a SNAKE that seduce Eva and Eva make Adan to "open" his eyes.The snake tell to Eva:"If you eat that fruit you will be WISE and you will be like GOD".I really don't want to bring any religion topic with this BUT i'm seeing this like "Snoke" was in the light side first.We know by the bible that the snake is Lucifer.Lucifer WAS a Angel of GOD.What i'm trying to said is that Snoke turn to the dark side and seduce Kylo.In other words Snoke is a creature that seduce jedi to the dark side.The title Supreme Leader is because he is the NEW generation of the dark side of the FORCE.I don't know BUT I have a feeling that Snoke was a jedi before.How did Leia and Han knows him?I did not read the novelization.Maybe my theory is right or maybe not.What do you think???Thoughts???

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    It's not impossible that Snoke is a corrupted Jedi. Plenty of history out there for Dark Jedi. It would seem strange that he is teaching Kylo, and Kylo is exhibiting force capabilities that haven't been seen used by Jedi before (freezing matter and energy in place, i.e. when he froze Rey in place and when he froze the blaster round), but maybe Snoke learned that trick after his fall to the dark side.
     
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    I think it's possible, but if so, in the very distant past when perhaps the Jedi may have been quite different to later times. I think Snoke would have been involved with the politics of the New Republic somehow, either as a prominant figure or in the backround. This way he could have had access to young Kylo through being in close proximity to Leia, and also have had dealings with Luke through liasing with the New Republic and the resurrected Jedi Order, and thus maintained his contact with Kylo.
     
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    Is true.I think that he was in the light first.That is why we don't know much about him.He is NEW and i think that Luke KNOW him very well.
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    Ummm..You have a GOOD point there.Your point sound very true to me.Is like Snoke is a character with history BUT we don't know it yet.There are a LOT of nice mystery in this NEW trilogy my friend...:).Everybody is making our own SW movie...;).
     
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    Half the fun, yeah :)
     
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    I'm just going to say no, based on stuff he says about Ben/Kylo in the novelisation.
    He makes some point about Ben being a better apprentice (presumably compared to previous apprentices he had) because Ben had come from both light and dark.
    ...although, the more I think about it, the more I think that Snoke could have been speaking from experience.

    I'm not sure how well Luke knows Snoke though.
     
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    I have a suspicious feeling that we've already been introduced to Snoke already in one of a The JTTFA Media idk what/who exactly but it's just a gut feeling .
     
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    Could he also be one of the 20 Fallen Jedi ? Or is this story not canon anymore?
     
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    It still/should be canon...I had a similar thought recently but now it might be a slight stretch although it would be wholly tying in of Snoke to be the head of The Jedi a high Council before Yoda .
     
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    Anything is possible until we learn more.

    Imagine if Snoke was actually among the first of the Jedi, perhaps one of its earliest dissenters and departers?

    I wonder, if in his journey to the first Jedi Temple, Luke Skywalker uncovered information about Snoke's actual identity and origin.

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    He has similarities in the face of his shape with Kanaan.
     
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    You mean like Ajunta Pall, the Jedi who was banished for playing around with creating and shaping life, and was the first Sith lord?
     
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    That is a very good example.

    Ajunta Pall's story (now designated as a Legend) is compelling enough for consideration in this discussion, at the very least demonstrating how a bifurcation in the Jedi Order could have lead, over ages, to various entities such as Snoke:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ajunta_Pall

    Here is some more "canon" information on an Unidentified Rogue Jedi:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_rogue_Jedi

    It connects with the (also "canon") Hundred-Year Darkness era:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness

    Snoke could be really really really old and possibly have been known by many names over those years.

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    No.
     
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    Thanks for the links. Maybe Snoke tried out the being a Jedi thing, got over that, so tried out the Sith thing, got over that, now wants to do a new thing and combine dark and light? Sounds quite Ajunta-ish?
     
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    Yes, this is either the problem or the promise of the character development of Snoke: he can be anything or anyone at this point.

    He is a Dark Side user, but he has not yet been confirmed as being a Sith or never having been a Sith.

    His is rather "Gray" but more in a Sith-like sense, unlike the Gray Jedi, who were Gray because they could drift away from the rigidity of the old Jedi philosophy.

    Qui-Gon Jinn was someone near the Gray zone of Jedi:
    (source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Qui-Gon_Jinn)

    In The Force Awakens novelization, Snoke says, "The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work."

    So, while he is an obvious Dark Sider and decidedly evil, founding and leading the militant and merciless First Order, his knowledge and possible use of the Force are yet to be defined to the point we can begin to understand where he actually stands in terms of his post-Sith Force philosophy.

    "Good" being a "point of view," as Palpatine told Anakin in Revenge of the Sith, it will be interesting to see what Snoke's true motivation and agenda are: why does he feel compelled to do what he does? What are his ideals and goals? How does he regard the Force and the "best" use of it? How would he have the galaxy exist?

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    I was thinking about this that Snoke was a jedi before.I really don't know that much about SW and i'm here learning things everyday.Some friends here in the forum REALLY know things and i like that.But one thing is sure i having a GREAT time with you guys.Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge in my threads...;).
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    Yeap....:).
     
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    This forum is definitely educational when it comes to Star Wars and the ideas it affords us opportunities to consider and discuss.

    I think Star Wars itself is its own university: entered seriously, studied deeply for a while, any student can leave its door with the likelihood of expanded and new realizations about themselves and the world.

    This is true of all the greatest stories ever told in our history: they transcend their fictionality and age, speaking to our time and our lives with undeniable relevance and insight.

    I'm glad a new generation of Star Wars fans can participate in the excitement and profundities of this saga.

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    I don't think that is true. Kylo was confirmed as non-Sith. But not Snoke. It certainly hasn't been confirmed that he wasn't once a Sith. :)

    Just my two cents on this - Leading into that line, Snoke says something about Kylo being made of the dark side and the light. I don't think however this is an indication that Snoke thinks a mix of light and dark is best. After all, he is trying to force the light out of Kylo, leaving only darkness. What I think this is about rather is merely the clay to work with at the beginning. If you have a being that is of more of a dark mindset from the start then there isn't that far for them to go. However, if you have a person that has light in them, a lot of good, then when you twist this goodness, when you threaten it or cause injury to it then the darkness it will lead to will be even more powerful. More consuming.

    What I mean is probably best shown through the example of Anakin. He was a good person who gave with no thought of reward. And because of this good in him, he loved his mother immensely. He loved Padme immensely. So when these things were threatened and when they died, the pain he experienced was perhaps stronger than a person who is more dark than light to begin with - if that makes any sense? Essentially, the more you love, the more you feel then the worse the pain when you lose that which you love. And thus the more powerful that darkness is that takes over.

    Snoke had a being in Kylo, that was not only physically the decedent of the most powerful Jedi & Sith of all time but also emotionally he was split down the middle. He was a pure, balanced being in that sense. From this, Snoke was able to turn him into whatever he wanted or more to the point, exactly what he wanted. In TFA we see that he has pushed Kylo to commit an ultimate sin of killing his own father and tells Hux to "bring him here" to complete his training. This means to me that Snoke is about to complete his masterpiece with Kylo. Mould him into the person he has planned to from the moment he started watching him. And that will surely be the perfect incarnation of Darth Vader - minus the sentiment and light that would seduce him back to the light. A power hungry but loyal weapon to wield against the last Jedi. It makes you wonder if that is what whoever created Anakin in the first place (if that is indeed what happened) had in mind for the chosen one? *Cough* Plagueis *cough*
     
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    Agree completely. I was a bit shy at first about sharing my thoughts in the face of so many experts, but then I thought, who cares, it's only an internet forum for fun, not a peer reviewed journal that needs a double blind, statistically proven study. Its not the United Nations, and I'm not going to start WWIII by making a goose of myself, besides I manage to survive that on a daily basis in the real world, lol. Star Wars nuts are thin on the ground in my 'hood, and I got sick of those looks my regular mates kept giving me with my forays into geekness...

    This forum drives me to get into the Star Wars universe further, so I can examine issues like was Snoke a Jedi, and I love it and am grateful for it. The people seem pretty cool too, which is a bonus :)
     
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