I think the attack plan in this one is just worst.

they do know how long they have: they are monitoring Starkiller's charge.

• that's how they know they are targeted,
  
• that's how they know when the light dies they've run out,
• and that's how they know they have to attack even with the sloppiest plan ever.

there was going to be no second chance for a backup plan because they were all going to die.
it was a desperate suicide run.

that all seemed very clear in the movie to me.
i guess not clear to everyone?

 

This is one of the reasons as to why I call TFA "Star Wars - Lite ."

 

This is sadly just one more flop of the MANY that TFA has my friend.

 

The bigger they are (death stars) the easier are to destroy? That just sucks...imo the worst part of the movie...
And why isn't Resistance evacuating after finding out they are targeted...not much sense...Galaxy is counting on liar Finn to know how to lower the shields...
Can't they tell when someone is lying? Finn is very obvious...

 

In TPM they resolved the problems with plot armor, which made even less sense.

1. Why did the jedi order send only two jedi (one of which is still just a padawan) to resolve an 1000 years old danger?
2. Why did they bring Anakin back to Naboo, and why did they drag the unarmed, scared kid into a warzone?
3. They went back to Naboo without any plan or help from the Republic. Basically they've returned into the same situation as the beginning of the movie.
4. Where did the blockade go? Why was there only one single ship? How can one single ship control over the entire population and infrastructure of Naboo and also provide enough resources to keep maintaining the entire army?
5. Why does the droid army need online wireless control from a ship in space? Why didnt the Trade Fedaration just use one of the Naboo communication centers (or build their own) on the panet to prevent losing the control over their full army over a lucky attack?
6. If the Trade Fedaration is so unbeliveably stupid, that they use the equal of around 50s soviet technology, all Qui-gon and co. needed was 2 engineers to interfere with the online signal, thus defeating the entire Trade Fedararation Army in an estimated 5-10 minutes.
7.,,We can enter the city using the secret passages on the waterfall side. Once we get to the main entrance, Captain Panaka will create a diversion. Then we can enter the palace and capture the viceroy. Without the viceroy, they will be lost and confused."
How did she know the viceroy will stay in the palace after they recieved the informations about the gungan attack? ,,Without the viceroy, they will be lost and confused" Droids, programed to kill, will be lost and confused by capturing one guy who dosent even give the orders directly...Makes less than zero sense.
If the Droid Controlship wouldnt' ve been destoryed by an 8 years old, the droid army would've been just ordered to go back to the city and kill everyone except the queen.

8. Why did the gungans (an underwater living species) have a medieval like terrestrial army with catapults and giant dinosarus?
8.5 What was Qui-gon's plan without the gungans anyways? Did he assume the underwater living species will magically have an army and help them aswell for no real reason?
9. Why did the viceroy ordered the entire army out of the city to fight a meaningless battle with the local natives? Why did he even care about them? If he wants to fight the battle fight it around the city where he is... The intention of distraction was so obvious that even Jar-jar would've figured it out in second...
10. What was the point of capturing the viceroy if the Droid Controlship is still online? Why not just 1) destory the controlship first, 2) Get into the empty palace and capture viceroy without a single drop of blood...

 

I completely agree.

I'm still not a huge fan of another big Death Star but I thought the plot was quite obvious.

 

I was going to say this, but I was beaten to the punch.

Yeah, there is a reason I really do not like most of the ending of The Phantom Menace. Though, as much as it pains me to do so, I do think some of your points are wrong.:
3) What's the Republic going to do? Don't forget that the whole time that Amidala is trying to plead her case, the Trade Federation bureaucracyed the hell out of the proceedings.
8.5) This wasn't Qui-Gon's plan. It was Padmé's. And she knew they had an army (Jar Jar told her on Coruscant). All she had to do was convince them to unite their forces.
10) To be fair, they kinda had to get into the palace anyway to get the fighters.
Still, the Battle of Naboo is stupid as hell.

 

i agree all the naboo stuff was crap-o-la

 

It was either just go for it (ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!) with little hope, or do nothing and get destroyed.

 

To be fair to Finn he Does have the shields lowered...

 

Yeah I think a lot of people over look things because that's the way that Disney designed this movie for Lucasfilm .

 

Well, just like all Star Wars movies...Some stuff is really dumb...and some stuff is really awesome (e.g. Kylo/Rey saber fight). TFA is easily the least creative of the Saga so far (mostly due to the lack of George, I think). The whole "whoa, a new death star! Oh wait, a weak point. Ready? Break!" planning session was very weak. Like most of the 2nd and 3rd acts of the movie, it was rushed. The battle itself looked pretty cool though.

 

The framing of the battle was ripped from the OT though...

 

I thought Finn knew some details about the Starkiller base.

 

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Well, I dont really think I've watched the movie with you. Btw what does ,,political matters" mean in this context? Can you quote me the 3 scenes please?
The whole situation started out to be a ,,political matter" when Valorum sent two jedi as ambassadors in secret.
The sith was a danger the Republic hasn't faced in a millenia. If sending Qui-gon and Obi-wan was no problem, than sending more jedi (maybe under secret) shouldn't have been a problem in this very serious issue.

Because only senators and jedi were the only one on Coruscant a poor solitary kid can be left with? And beeing unfriendly to a kid imo is still better than dragging him into a warzone imo, but whatever.

Yes, and that is the issue... Padmé went back to the exact same situation she left the planet. In fact, after the TF took control over the planet she was in an even worse situation... The only logical decision for her would've been to stay on Coruscant and wait for help, because she had absolutely zero chance to defeat the TF alone. Oh, except if she is beeing protected by the poorly written plot armour.
Btw Padmé as a queen should've known that the courts of Coruscant are slow decision makers, so going to Coruscant will be useless anyways.

Well the military officers of the TF also needed some postgraduate course as it turned out leaving one single very vounerable ship to control an entire invasion was not the best idea eiter. And leaving the docking bay wide open during the battle was also not the best decision.
One ship cant even provide the requirement of maintaining the army, not the control over the whole planet... If they were on a budget cut, than leave 5 ships around the planet. 2 to protect the droid controlship and 2 for the supplies.

Considering the TF risked everything (trillions of invested credits money, political position etc) with that action, they should've done it. Btw its not that hard. Just take over the control of some communication stations on the planet.

Nice way to avoid answering, I was just beeing sarcasting on that. Btw its not that hard again. I've done it multiple times in college with radio signals (im a physicist btw). I know this is nitpicking, and considering the prequels were made for 8 years olds, I shouldn't complain too much, but you do the same with TFA, so sry.

What great danger? Just go away from the city maybe?

A droid army, controlled from space and programed to kill will not care about ,,capturing" the viceroy. They capture him so what? The army will go back to the city and kill everyone except the queen. Why should they care at all? They know the viceroy won't be killed... And if he will than what? Considering Sidious was still in charge of this ,,battle", he will order the capturing of the queen regardless of the life of the viceroy...

Considering they've used giant trained dinosaurs to carry their shield generators indicates that it wasnt spontaneous. Btw the droid army should've just used some gas or biological weapon. Or maybe an aerial attack... Their military officers really needed that pg course...

If she indeed knew the gungans, she should've involved Qui-gon in her plans, and she must've known that the the gungans dont like outlanders so they probably wont risk the life of their people for a half assed plan made by a 14 years old girl... Except if the plot allowes it...

The viceroy should've just fly back to the controlship and leave the dirty job for some unlucky inferior. Or maybe just leave the city...

Alright then secure the palace from a safe distance, destroy the controlship in a suprise attack, then march in and capture the viceroy without a single drop of blood.

 

He did but he didn't know the every last detail .