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I WANT SNOKE TO DIE IN EP8

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by NinjaRen, May 11, 2016.

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  1. NinjaRen

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    This is my first attempt of creating a thread, so don´t be to harsh on me. I´m sorry if this topic was already addressed in other threads.

    I´ve been a supporter of the Plagueis=Snoke theory for a long time now, but apparently it will never happen. It´s a pity because I always thought Plagueis would have been the best opportunity to end the Story of the Skywalkers. But this was already addressed many times.

    Lately, I´m occupying with the question: “What if Snoke is really a new character with any background?”

    I come to the conclusion that Lucasfilm introduced Snoke only for Kylo Ren´s character development. Therefore, Snoke is just a plot device, nothing more.
    Maybe they have no intension to establish Snoke as the big main villain, rather they want Kylo Ren as the main villain of the Sequel Trilogy.

    So I want Kylo Ren to kill the Supreme Leader – after completing the training of course – to become the Leader of the First Order.


    But how should you execute this in the movie?

    Snoke always seemed to be arrogant toward Kylo Ren in TFA, he talks to him by a derogatory tone.

    Kylo Ren will perceive in EP8 that Snoke is only using him for his powers and that he is only a measure of violence.
    This realisation makes Kylo Ren extremely angry. In his wrath (=> yellow dark side eyes), he attacks Snoke and he can finally defeat him. Snoke won´t be outraged by this, no, in fact he is proud of Kylo Ren because this was his final step to the dark side.

    Kylo Ren is now the ultimate lord of the dark side without any reluctance.

    Kylo Ren is an irreversible member of the dark side and he is also the ultimate threat for the heroes of the Sequel Trilogy.


    In my opinion, this development would be an unexpected and a pleasant twist, which we haven´t directly seen in a Star Wars movie.
    For the first time we would witness how an apprentice overthrows the master to gain the positon of power (comparable to the “Rule of Two”).

    The bottom line is that Lucasfilm should completely focus on Kylo Ren, regarding the villains.


    But what do you guys think?
     
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    Hi there Ninjabeans.You have a few of GOOD point there.For me i think that Snoke was a jedi before and YES he is a TOTALLY NEW character like Rey,Finn,Poe,BB-8 to mention a few.I will see Snoke become in Smoke in Ep.8 by Rey...;).

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    I agree, though I was never a fan of the Plagueieiuieuuieeiuuis thing.

    Snoke never seemed to be anything more than a placeholder villain, something to hearken back to the Emperor. For that reason, I've never cared much for him and felt he was very one-dimensional. They held back on revealing him as much as possible, and I think that is because they knew he was a weak excuse for a Star Wars villain. He is absolutely just a plot device to justify Kylo Ren being evil.

    The sweetest moment they could do with this idea is to have him unexpectedly murder Snoke, and do it in front of our heroes, because it could give them hope that Kylo can be saved, only in the next beat to realize he's gone even further into the Dark Side. It ups the stakes for whatever happens next.
     
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    We barely know who snoke is. He could be very important in EP8 &9. They will most likely expand on his character and make him less of a placeholder
     
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    They shouldn't bother. Why waste screen time on him? We have the villain we deserve in Kylo Ren.
     
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    i'm all for Snokie-poke eating it in viii.
    i've always felt like he was a macguffin.
    still rooting for Hux to do it, though.
    then Kylo Ren will go rogue because you know he's not going to listen to that gingersnap.

    i'm kinda liking this idea.
     
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    You're right, we know nothing about Snoke. He is a mysterious figure but also a waist of a character regarding to TFA.
    I really wish we hadn't seen him in EP7, just some mentioning by First Order characters (compare Emperor in OT). Than a big reveal in EP8 or 9.

    If Snoke has a big role in the ST, I'm totally okay with it. But if not, he should bite the dust to give Kylo Ren more screen time.

    At the moment I'm not a big fan of Snoke. Hopefully this will change in next installment of the ST.
     
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    I want to see him bite the dust too, he is a bland character and I don't like his visual appearance.
    He looks like a joke and not like a villain who is pulling the strings.
    By the way his name is stupid also.
     
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    Well we haven't seen how he looks in-person because we only saw him sitting down and saw his face only and he could be redeemed (hopefully) in VIII (and then die).
     
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    I agree with you halfway, but to be honest I have a bad feeling about Snoke.
    It feels that they invented Snoke to have an excuse why Han and Leia's son is an evil guy.
    Story would have worked without Snoke in my opinion.
    Kylo Ren is evil, because he wants to, he chosen that path to become like his grandfather. (simple as that)

    Maybe he heard stories about Darth Vader as a kid/teenager and thought grandpa was cool, menacing, powerful, I want to be like him as an adult.
     
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    To me, he also seems too one-dimensional and that's why it would be fairly easy to kill him off.
     
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    I agree.
    What shall I say I'm not a fan of Snoke and Kylo Ren.
    I was just searching for an explanation to make one of them work/believable.
    Both are not intimidating enough in my opinion, I don't know how to describe it, they lack that certain thing.
    They are not:
    Darth-Vader_6bda9114.jpg
     
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    I for one don't want to see Snoke die in episode 8, maybe a few more scars from his encounter with Luke, that's bound to happen surely if they meet, then kill him off in episode 9.
     
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    Well his character is certainly underwhelming right now. Without him being an ancient evil being that actually does things himself or even Darth Plagueis like certain fans want he's like just CG imitation cheese of Emperor Palpatine.
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    Having Kylo Ren kill Snoke would help tighten up the narrative (dead weight is expendable) and resuscitate Kylo Ren after his loss to Rey. That idea is better than some Emperor Palpatine wannabe. If they wait until the end of IX to do that, that's like a total rip of ROTJ, at least doing it earlier makes for a different story after that happens.
     
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    I think that's cool but I want see what Snoke can do before I start calling him a Palapatine clone or dead weight if he is then oh well, but if he isn't I think he'll make Palpatine look like child's play .
     
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    This is something I'm afraid of, Snoke becomes just a copy of Palpatine. He already has a similar appearance to the emperor.
     
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    So the emo son of Han Solo is the villain we deserve? Yeesh, At least wait until EP8 where we meet Benicio del Toro's villiain. He could be a interesting character.
     
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    Right now he is nothing more as a pawn or willing victim in my opinion.
     
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    Just a thought.
    How did Vaders role change through the OT, what did we know about the Emperor? Maybe just wait and see, we already have more information about the villains then in every other Trilogy.
     
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