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HUMOR I want YOUR Star Wars hot takes

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by RoyleRancor, Apr 9, 2019.

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    As someone who does like Filoni, I would agree he's made some of the worst stuff.

    But then again, he's also probably the person with his mark on the most stuff in the series too, right? Like, certainly even more than Lucas himself, at least directly.

    There's bound to be some stinkers every now and then.
     
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    Look at the MCU. There are more mediocre movies in the MCU than there are in Star Wars but they also take a lot more swings. So people act like Feige is some god-like producer who makes no stinkers when truthfully, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Thor 2 and a spattering of others exist.
    Even the bulk of their films are probably just "fine" with some great ones sprinkled in.
     
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    Knowing that midi-chlorians are a thing lets me sleep at night.
     
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    me too
     
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    I think it has to do with promise and payoff.
    There was also a lot of promise in the early MCU days, and come Avengers, people felt like the payoff was worth it. And then Avengers offered an even larger promise to keep fans there. There was wavering with IM 3 and Thor 2, but then Winter Soldier and GotG knocked it out of the park, creating this theme of smaller promises along the way. By the time Phase 3 happened, the MCU finally hit its stride. Each movie promised a different tone, style, and event, and most of them delivered. But again, there's that theme of promise and payoff. I'm not sure the general audience feels like Star Wars has kept its promises lately (and if they have, the payoff has been nothing short of divisive).

    Hot Takes Part 2!

    Star Wars kills characters too quickly. I know, I know, many audience members would claim that it doesn't kill enough characters to provide real stakes, and that it's not realistic for everyone to survive. Many people would point to Game of Thrones and how callous it was in its culling, and how great that made the show. And I firmly disagree.

    I believe it was Trope Talks, but it might have been someone else...anyways, I recently heard this, and it resonated with me - "Characters should only be killed when it creates more opportunities than keeping them alive does." And it makes sense. Unless the story has an explorable afterlife, characters dying means that their role in the story has come to an end, and that they have nothing more left to offer other than the motivation of said character's death. But motivation can only move a story so far.

    Star Wars has this problem since it usually combines this with the "Redemption Equals Death" trope. But as we know, this cuts off so many storylines. What would have happened had Ben Solo lived? What would a Jedi Order restarted by Luke and Anakin have looked like?* There are a few other examples I could give, but those would be spoilers, and I've long since forgotten how to work the spoiler tabs. :p:oops:
    What does atonement look like? What does forgiveness look like, especially when the person you told you're trying to forgive is still in your life, or is still alive? Leia can say she forgave Vader all she wanted (which I don't think she ever did), but could she say that if he was still around, trying to visit his grandchild(ren)?


    Now I'm going to say something I wish I didn't have to say. Star Wars needs hard limits. The Rise of Skywalker went a step too far in the planet-killing ships. They weren't unbelievable on their own, since we saw the miniaturized Death Star tech in TLJ, but to make them another Final Boss level threat was a step too far. Power Creep has been evident in Star Wars since the OT, but now it's a serious problem that needs to be limited. Capping the Sith Empire's tech as the "best the galaxy will ever see" may not be realistic, but it will force creators to mine a different field for creative solutions and enemies, and that is welcome.

    Hello Future Me has a phenomenal video on the topic.





    *Vader's death is actually one that is both thematically fulfilling and creates just as many interesting implications regardless of his mortality.
     
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    Yes! And that's why I felt utterly dissatisfied with the ST, since RotJ the SW fan in me wanted to know what happens to a redeemed villain- especially if he's a Skywalker. That's juicy stuff that would made up for some great stories!

    It would have also been interesting to see what Rey's character would have become, becoming a teacher, helping others find the same belonging that she’s found. Maybe eventually becoming the
    person who she needed when she was younger.
     
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    Hot take! Alden Ehrenreich is the only true Han Solo!
     
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    you sir, have reached the temperature of the core of the sun
     
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    [Still love Harrison though!]
     
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    I have a new hot take and it’s about something that’s been bothering me for a while. I constantly hear people criticize Dave Filoni for shoving Ahsoka into all of his projects and claim that she’s an overused character... but she’s really not?

    She was a main character of The Clone Wars and was around for most of the show’s run, but even then, Anakin and Obi-Wan were usually the ones in the spotlight. There were plenty of episodes where they showed up with no mention or appearance of Ahsoka, but there were very few episodes where Ahsoka appeared without Anakin or Obi-Wan’s presence (until she left the Jedi Order that is.) A lot of the time she was a vessel for the young audience of the show: watching the inevitable downfall of the Republic/the Jedi/Anakin through the eyes of someone their age.

    She shows up again in Rebels and while she is definitely a highlight of the show in my opinion, she never detracts from that show’s main characters or story. Rebels was already really good with or without Ahsoka, who didn’t make that many appearances if we’re being honest. Still, Ahsoka plays a part and isn’t just there for Dave to have his favorite character make an appearance.

    Currently, the only appearances she’s made outside of The Clone Wars and Rebels are:
    • Limited appearances and mentions in the books and comics, outside of the Ahsoka novel obviously.
    • Starred in a few Forces of Destiny shorts.
    • A voice cameo in The Rise of Skywalker that can barely even be heard.
    • A brief appearance in like one Galaxy of Adventures short.
    I really don’t see where she’s been shoehorned in at.

    Now, there are rumors of her appearing or starring in a few upcoming projects. We all know about the reports of Rosario Dawson playing the role of Ahsoka Tano in season two of The Mandalorian, marking the character’s debut in live action. This is a huge deal for Star Wars, as this is the first time a major animated character has made the jump from animation to live action (no, I’m not counting Boba Fett, General Grievous, or Saw Gerrera), even though I personally believe that Ahsoka will have an even more limited role in The Mandalorian than she had in Rebels.

    There’s also rumors of Ahsoka’s appearance in The Mandalorian leading to her getting her own live action show in the future, which would probably be years down the line if it ever comes to fruition. And if it does happen, this will really be the first time Ahsoka can actually be THE star of the show.

    And in the world of animation, she’s supposed to appear in The Bad Batch and will presumably be a main character of the Rebels sequel whenever that happens. Both of which make sense.

    So, yeah, she’s supposed to appear in four different shows in the future, but these projects are all going to be spread out. It’s not all happening at once and even if they were, she’ll probably only be a main character in half of these.

    In conclusion, Ahsoka is not an oversaturated character now, when she’s only been a major character in one show and a recurring character in another, and she still won’t be after she appears in a few more. I think it’s funny when people say that they’re sick of her character and that Dave should just kill her off when we’re still getting stories about Luke, Han, Leia, and Vader after 40+ years and she’s been around for twelve. Heck, Obi-Wan has made way more appearances than Ahsoka has and people were still begging for a show about him. (And are now complaining that it’s only going to be one season.)

    Then again, I might be biased since Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters...
     
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    While I do appreciate things like the Despecialized Editions and the 4K projects, I don't like the notion of, "This is how the films should be viewed/These are the correct versions" and I find it a bit disrespectful to George. The changes made to the OT in the decades since it was originally released are, to say the least, polarizing... but they came from George. It's not like some guy came in and decided to just add things/remove things and then lay claim to it being the official version. It's the creator of the whole thing making the changes. Some of which (such as the Jabba scene in ANH) he wanted to make years and years before he actually made them but had his hands tied due to the technology just not being ready yet. Restorations are cool as a novelty, but that's it.


    This isn't necessarily a take, more so something that crossed my mind during another argument over Rey's power. I've often said that you can't quantify the Force or try to put it in a box, and that's maybe my favorite thing about it, but when it comes to Rey, a lot of people do just that. There's no reason to list out the complaints and arguments because you've all heard them before ad nauseum... a lot of these people compare her to Luke and they use him as a baseline for how the Force should naturally progress... but Luke's progression wasn't natural or steady at all. There are 3 in-universe years between ANH and ESB and in those 3 years Luke learns, very, very little. He struggles to even pull his lightsaber out of the snow. By the time Empire ends, save a force jump during the duel with Vader, he's still a relative novice. However by the time ROTJ comes around he's far more seasoned and experienced, confident. Powerful. And the in-universe time between the two films is far shorter, we don't know exactly how much, thanks to the odd timeline of ESB, but it's anywhere between a few months and a year. If the pace had remained steady throughout, it likely would've taken Luke decades to reach the level he's at in ROTJ. I've never really seen anybody question that though. Luke's biggest problem throughout the first two films, the reason why he struggles so much to harness the Force is because he doesn't believe. He doesn't believe he can lift the rock, he gets easily distracted. He doesn't believe he can pull his X-Wing out of the water, considering it an impossibility and Yoda straight up tells him this is why he's failing. So then what happened? What happened in that time between ESB and ROTJ? Luke started to believe. Once he started to believe, it all started to come to him. Rey never had a problem with believing, she may have not understood it, but she never resisted it, doubted its existence or its power. She embraced it from the get go.
     
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    The scenes on the Fuerteventura planet in Solo and during the train heist made me think of how much I would like to see a SW film or series about space pirates.
    But maybe we see sthg like this in Andor. I would like to see more of the Enfys Nest gang.
     
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    Hot take: The absolutely worst side or aspect of Star Wars is the fans. We don't deserve Star Wars.
     
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    Excuse me this is the hot take thread, not the mildly spicy "you knew the heat level" thread!
     
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    Editing Hayden Christensen into Return of the Jedi was not only the right choice from a narrative perspective - given that he was the image of his father that Luke Skywalker had idolized and wanted to live up to - but it was in no way disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw.
     
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    zeb is useless and they should have replaced him with rex from the start
     
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    WHAAAAT??.. (ok, your opinion)

    But oth, who is the Rex guy you're talking about? :D
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    I like the Lightsabre fights in the PT.
    It reminds me of the Kata-trials for Karate.
    It's more like an Art form between the Masters to find the one that has achieved perfection.
     
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    Hot Takes Part 3:

    Rebels messed up with it's arcs for Ezra and shouldn't have ended when it did. I get why it ended where it did, but I just feel it's done more harm than good.

    Resistance should have been split into two different shows: One about a character named Kaz who decides to become a professional pilot and who occasionally deals with the First Order, but isn't a spy; and the other about a newly recruited spy who must discover the mystery of the First Order. This show could be more like a political thriller of sorts.

    I would have rather waited another year for TCW if it meant we could have had the rest of the unfinished arcs...including Dark Disciple, Son of Dathomir and that planned Yoda arc. Heck, I would trade The Bad Batch in a heartbeat if it meant we'd get those arcs. Go Kyber Crystal arc, Ahoska arc, Son of Dathomir, Dark Disciple, and end with the Siege of Mandalore.


    The High Republic was a good idea at the wrong time.

    And for the spiciest take - there is very little related to characters and characterization that I've seen in Star Wars that I haven't seen done better in a superhero equivalent.
    This isn't the MCU specifically, but the entire superhero genre as a whole. I still love Star Wars to pieces, but the franchise is limited right now in ways the superhero genre frankly isn't. I could probably write a whole piece on why that is to a degree - and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't planning out a thing just like it - but it wouldn't be for anyone's benefit but mine, so it's not needed.
     
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