SPECULATION If the Jedi return, should Luke go for the rule of 2 approach?

You hit the nail on the head. Even the Jedi Council forbade Qui-Gon to take a second apprentice. Masters could only train one Padawan at a time.
All that really has to be mastered is emotion, assuring that the apprentice can avoid using the Force for Anger, Hate, and Aggression, the path to the Darkside.

 

Interesting thought, but we know so little about Ben and his turn to know if it was from Luke trying to train more than one. Also, one would assume that Luke trained other before Ben.

Or....

One could reasonably assume that finding force users is difficult. The old Jedi Order had thousands of years to build their roster. Luke was the only one left and how would he find others? It wouldn't be easy. That's why I wonder if "The Force Awakens" will be explained in further detail in Episode VIII. Perhaps we'll learn there's been an explosion in the force and people like Finn/Poe are suddenly force sensitive.

 

As much as I hate to say it...that has been the biggest problem on the Sith's side. One Sith apprentice gets greedy, kills their master, and then their apprentice kills them. Its annoying but it just keeps on happening.

 

No.

The reason why the Sith are only two, is because they're the Dark Side: antagonistic, vicious and hungry for power, to wield the Force as a weapon to exercise their superiority to others. Such people seek challenge to become better murderers, so it was only a matter of time before they turned against each other. The Sith believe in power, period. So, if they manage to be killed, it means they were not powerful enough,s o they deserved their death. Weakness = death in the Sith side and because of that belief it was so, SO easy to get almost extinct from the inside; no outer forces needed. They were a self-destructive cult.

There is nothing like that in the Jedi, who let the Force "flow" and do not seek power, but wisdom. There is no need for any "rule of two" to be instilled in the Jedi. Also, since the Galaxy is always in trouble for various forces and sides, the more Jedi the merrier. Destroying something is easy, keeping it safe and/or rebuilding requires more in numbers.

Also, I find this whole discussion interesting: people are willing to see the Jedi changing their rules in the future through Luke regarding their numbers, but not the inane rule of no attachments. Makes you think.

 

My initial answer is "we don't know for sure". We don't quite know the circumstances for Ben's change in heart. We don't know enough details to assume a rule. However, I'd imagine that Luke will try to replicate the original Jedi Order minus the political interference. But we'll see...

 

I really don't think the Jedi needs the rule of two. Sure, there are plenty of arguments that come from the whole Kylo Ren thing but I guess it will always be up to the storytellers. If they want to make the rule of two more effective they will and if not they will go the other way as they see fit. In the EU, Luke was a great teacher and his Jedi academy was awesome. He was not the loser TFA turned him into and he trained many great students at once who in turn even saved his life. The rule of two also sucks in that if a Jedi were to train a student who went bad and said student betrayed him/her, all that knowledge would be lost and nobody would benefit from it.

 

Yes I did read the original post but the training method you choose does indeed seem very similar to the rule of two with the exception that there are not just two in existence. Based on this I made my comment, had Luke trained Ben alone and Ben have been seduced by Snoke and killed Luke, that would have been the end of the Jedi.

 

If they make another trilogy (which Disney already mentioned doing) I could see something like this working but i personally don't think Luke is making it out of this trilogy alive. I thought it would be cool if both Rey and Finn were force sensitive and there were two force using leads but it doesn't look like they are going to go that route right now. We will have to see but if Luke dies by the end of IX and if VIII and IX both move at the pace TFA did it doesn't seem like we are going to have time to see anyone but Rey get some training in. Obviously Rey is with Luke and will most likely spend the better part of VIII with him. The way it is set up with Finn being injured and remaining with the resistance, it seems as if he might become the next Han. A strong military type leader withing the resistance. If he was force sensitive his skills are pretty weak when you look at what Rey was able to accomplish once she realized she had abilities but I really don't think he is. So other than some of the new cast members that joined in for VIII there isn't really anyone else right now who could fit into the "new jedi" character spectrum UNTIL we get another trilogy.

After seeing TFA and realizing how much you can really fit into one movie I don't see there being enough time for anyone but Rey to really progress and get set going down the path as a Jedi while everything else goes on in the story. We still have Finn, Poe, Leia and then Laura Dern and Kelly Tran's new characters who will have their own issues going on and then Kylo, Snoke, Hux , Phasma, TKOR, and Benicio del toro (who might be a KOR) to fit in on the other side of the fence. When I think about this I almost wish they killed a few characters off in TFA so there was some more breathing room but it seemed like.......THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO IN TFA ! They must have something good planned though with all of these characters in the mix but back to my original point, I don't think how many people are getting trained will matter because Luke will train Rey and he will die by the time the trilogy is up. I think Rey will actually be the one to finally get the Jedi going again...maybe in the next trilogy?????

 

Luke could probably bend many rules of the jedi order, I'm sure the rule two was only respected by the sith but as we had seen from Sidious he had many emperor hands & apprentices at his command, Luke should only have one apprentice for life I hope Rey lives up to his vision.

 

I like where the OP is getting at. I like to think the reason why Jedi Masters couldn't have more than one Padawan at a time is because one would/could be better than the other, hence creating jealousy, and, well, we all know where that leads to! Having one Master and one Padawan creates a unique bond. Perhaps that is why Ben turned on Luke's new Jedi Order, one student showed more promise than him, he then got corrupted by Snoke and learned that he could become even better if he used the Dark Side so out of jealousy, he destroyed everything Luke built while Luke was away for whatever reason. If Luke would have taught Ben alone and took another apprentice only when Ben was ready to get an apprentice of his own, the story would have turned out differently I believe.

 

"One to embody power, the other to crave it...."

Having 2 padawans will lead one of them to jealousy.
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he didn't because Obi-Wan was accepted into the jedi trials for his knighthood from what I remember...

 

He didn't because it was forbidden. He tells Anakin that he is not allowed to train him but watch him and be mindful. Qui-Gon knew Obi-Wan was ready for the trials and was setting up Anakin's training as his new padawan. Qui-Gon died before Obi-Wan became a Jedi Knight, leaving Obi-Wan to vow to train Anakin.

We'll see if Luke keeps the traditions of the Jedi order's code when it comes to training.

A reason Leia never became his first apprentice is she was married and with child after the battle of Endor, which is against the Jedi code.

 

Yeah but traditions always evolve and her training could have been more mindful than physical ... doesn't she do force exercises in a novel ??

 

She meditates near a force sappling.