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If TLJ disappointed you, what does JJ have to do in IX to get you back?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Johnny Thunder, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. metadude

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    Whoa. That is heavy duty. I can't tell if you're offering a serious suggestion on how to elevate the material, or just making an indirect off-hand quip about how you don't like the character. I can't believe they would possibly go that route, but man that is heavy duty stuff. That is the only suggestion I've ever seen that is completely off radar, yet makes so much sense. That would elevate. If I were actually writing episode 9 I would be seriously having to wrestle with that idea once I heard it. That's heavy duty. Bear in mind, I like Rey. A lot. Probably the only character in the sequels that I really like. With the crossed lightsaber imagery in episode 7? That would be... well, heavy duty is what it would be.
     
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    Why wouldn't I be here? I don't care for the trilogy, but I still can express my opinions.
     
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    It's true. My question was just based on the hundreds of times that I've seen a statement like yours about how bad this trilogy is, and because of it has made those fans "Walk away from Star Wars"...just to come here daily and continuously bash everything about it. I was just wondering.
     
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    I was just replying to the question of this thread. I wasn't starting a new wave of bashing or anything.
     
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    No, no...you misunderstand me. I was just kind of looking for your take on the matter, and may not have approached my question completely. Let me try again;

    You obviously really dislike this trilogy...trust me, I fully understand.

    My question, is that you have left a list of things that you'd want to see in the trilogy finale that the original poster asked for in order to "bring you back", but after making the list you said you'd never come back...why waste the time to make the list if you'll never watch it anyway?
     
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    Yeah, I might feel mixed about TLJ, but it’s still Star Wars and I love Star Wars; prequels, sequels, spin off’s and whatevs. Except for the holiday special.

    Hoping for magic in EPIX, and kind of expecting it too.
     
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    Hey, lists are fun. No matter if I return or not, I still can hope for some improvements. They certainly wouldn't hurt, would they?
     
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    Not at ALL!! :)
     
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    Stop bringing back legacy characters, doing weird dramatic things with them and then killing them. Here we go again; rumour has it Billy Dee is slated to appear in IX, they are going to kill him. Can they just stop killing characters? Please? just leave him out of if or better yet, kill one of your damn sequel trilogy characters.
     
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    Doing that also causes backlashes. Just look at Snoke.
     
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    On the flip side I'd be irate if JJ went in this direction. It would be just awful. I'd lose faith that Lucasfilm can tell a story in a coherent manner if JJ made that move.
     
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    Killing a character like Snoke isn't the same, because the Filmmaker didn't invest anything in him so you can't really use him as an example, same with Phasma. With iconic characters in Star Wars? They turned Han into a deadbeat dad, and killed him for no real reason; then they turned Luke Skywalker into a coward; a complete opposite of the Luke we know. Instead of hopeful, he's pessimistic. We know Luke as seeing the Good in the bad, in TLj, he can only see the Bad in Kylo, etc. Being Brave means you're afraid; but you take action anyway. Luke didn't, he ran away to die. it's the definition of a coward. Even at the end of the movie when Luke "returns" he doesn't really, he just phones it in and never faces Kylo in person, face to face, he takes the cowardly way out as a hologram where there are no real stakes, and then dies. So the legend of Luke Skywalker that was there at the beginning of the movie, is the Legend of Luke Skywalker at the end of the movie, wheel spinning; but I digress.
     
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    Exactly...WHY did Luke just "run away" (knowing who Ben would potentially become) and let his nephew run amok and full of the darkside across the galaxy...it makes little sense to me.
     
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    After after everything you know about Han Solo, do you expect him to be great dad, who would stay in one place to raise a family (or Leia for that matter)?
    Harrison Ford wanted to kill of Han back in RotJ and it seems like only agreed to return to TFA if they finally did. But still, Han Solo died facing his mistakes as a father and his death played a great part in Kylo Ren's character development.

    Were you paying any attention to the movie? The whole theme of TLJ is failure and how one deals with it. Luke failed with his Jedi Order, everything he believed it crumbled and he ended up creating another Darth Vader. That's more than enough to break anybody, even Luke, if you treat like a real person, and not as a childhood fantasy (which is, ironically, a viewpoint the movie adresses).
    As for "phones in" and "no stakes", Luke knew he was going to die. Or, what - you think he just dies at random for no particular reason? Remember - Luke was old at that point and Kylo Ren most likely would have chopped him to pieces. Would that be better? Luke said goodbye to Leia, bought enough time for the remaining Resistance to escape, so both through that and his legend hope could remain in the Galaxy. That's a wonderful way to go.
     
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    I was SO disappointed with TLJ. It's pretty much killed ANY enthusiasm I had for the ST and the SW franchise in general. I'm not going to claim I am going to pass on episode IX or do any boycott...I'll go see it. I'm not going to lie about it like so many people are. I just really don't care. Disney COULD have had me in the theater 6-8 times instead of once though. AND tickets for various family members I always drag along to see these movies. Disney can make 10 bucks off me, or they can make a couple hundred. It's up to them.

    If they want my REPEAT business, the biggest thing they need to do is right off the bat spit in the face of Rian Johnson's movie by having Luke appear alive and well in the first act of episode IX. Say he teleported. That works as well as anything else.

    Second, jettison the ill placed 21st century humor. It DOESN'T work and doesn't belong in something timeless and epic like Star Wars. That kind of humor is so obviously dated for the now.

    Also, no more sh*tty pc politics in Star Wars. I don't want to feel talked down to by incompetent writers, I want to feel like I was taken to a GFFA that is far removed from the petty concerns of our world and time. Star Wars isn't the place for people to dump their emotional snowflake baggage.

    Do a 5 year jump (becauae you are gonna need it) and tell me an epic story that somehow ties to events of the previous 8 films. Make me FEEL like Rey Finn and Poe have progressed enough for me to buy into them and care about them after stumbling with them for 2 films. Let Leia have passed in between films so her character isn't dragged through the mud.

    Even if it's at the finish line, have Rey stumble a bit and fail. Let her pick herself up again and have SOME semblance of a character arc and shed off the Mary Sueness the writers saddled her with. I feel like there is a great character in there that the actress can let out. But to DO that the writers have to stop trying to overcompensate for her being a female to impress fans. Its okay to have women make mistakes and fail just like men do, I promise. It might EVEN make them interesting enough to root for.
     
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    Maybe Lando will be the only OT character to survive.
     
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    In a perfect world, however unlikely the scenario definitely is, I would love to see JJ retcon Luke's death. It would be a brilliant twist and a real crowd pleaser that would hype the crap out of everyone (I can only imagine the reaction!). It's never explicitly stated that he's died, nor is it a graphic violent death like Han's. JJ and Mark also seem to have good rapport despite Mark's disenchantment with the direction of his character.

    In a more likely scenario, I hope we see him as a Force Ghost... I hope. I refuse to accept that Luke's last appearance should be him in lotus position levitating over a rock on the same island he's been on for decades. That would sadden me.

    A big thing for me is Rey's lineage. I would also like Kylo's explanation for Rey's lineage to be a red herring. At this point, I really don't care if she's a Kenobi or a Skywalker (she's most definitely not a Solo), though I like the ST sticking with the Skywalkers through to the end. I've not been happy about Rey Nobody since the moment it was revealed. From a storytelling perspective, it just doesn't add up with the VII narrative and all the hints they were throwing at us (but then, what does?). I genuinely, earnestly do not believe Johnson' direction was what JJ or Kasdan were going for when VII was coming together.

    There's a whole list of other possibilities I've dreamt up in my head that would make me happy, but I wont get into all of them. I'll still be there opening weekend, as I usually am, though with far less wide-eyed optimism than I had prior to VIII. Solo perked me up a great deal (it feels like Star Wars), enough to jump full force back into the fandom, but I do have reservations and fears about the ST. It makes me really sad that it has to be that way.
     
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    Um, there is another thread that asks this exact same question, was created just after TLJ was released.
     
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    I don't plan on seeing IX, but I will talk about it.

    - Making Finn and Poe matter to the story would be grand.
    - Actually have Rey, Finn, and Poe interact. I shouldn't need a ooc comic for that.
    - Curb Rose's belittling of others.
    - Characters that are POC and Force Sensitive.
    - Don't make 'cute creatures' the scene stealers.

    Daisy has already spoken about not wanting to continue future sequels; so having Rey die, for whatever reasons, wouldn't be out of the question.
    https://variety.com/2017/film/news/daisy-ridley-star-wars-no-more-after-episode-9-1202627235/

    If Rose is still around that still leaves three actors to continue with.
     
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