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If you had KK's job right now...

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Sparafucile, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. BespinMinersUnion1138

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    If I were Kathleen Kennedy, I wouldn't listen to the static on the forums. I'd just do my job and continue to make successful movies because that's what I've done my entire career.
     
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    Courses of action I'd take-

    Fall 2018:
    Resistance come out and advertise it to kids, but otherwise keep it pretty low key. If adults don't already know about it, they're probably not going to be into it at this point, and it'll help Star Wars feel less oversaturated. Just lay low for a while, and come back strong early next year.

    Early 2019:

    Start marketing for IX. Don't give us a teaser without any big zingers (like "it's time for the Jedi to end), but instead just make it look like a fun film. Keep a real tight lid on some of the casting, much like how Yoda was a big surprise in TLJ for most people.

    Mid Summer 2019:
    Give us a second trailer. This one is focused more on the villains, and is darker. We see Kylo, Hux, and maybe tease the Knights of Ren.

    October 2019:
    Release the final, full legnth trailer. Here we see our main characters fully in their own- Rey training as a Jedi, Poe flying, Finn boots on the ground. Don't shy away from Rose either, screw the haters.

    December 2019:
    Release during one of the TV spots a brief shot of Leia's funeral, with Luke as a voice over briefly saying "May the Force be with you." Is Hamill in the movie or not? We'll have to find out!

    December 20, 2019:
    play the characters to their strengths. In TLJ, everyone was out of their element- Finn and Rey were away from the Resistance, Leia was knocked out, Poe wasn't in a cockpit... bring these characters back where they belong.

    Bring back some fan favorites- Lando comes back for Leia's funeral, obviously. Luke and Anakin (Hayden, for the PT fans) come back at different times as Force ghosts), along with Yoda and maybe even Kenobi if it would be reasonable enough to add him in (the uncanny valley can be a little bit mitigated by the force ghost glow). Most importantly, try as hard as possible to keep these fan favorite cameos out of the news until release!

    2020
    Boba Fett movie releases in December (stick to holiday releases from now on). Pick it right up where Solo left off.

    I won't take any"who asked for this movie" seriously when it's about Fett fighting other bounter hunters in a civil war between Maul and Jabba (with Vader likely to show up). This movie is a Star Wars fan's fantasy.

    Be wise about the character of Fett. Give him a Holmes style character. Much like the stealthy way Mad Max made the titular character more of a supporting role while Furiosa took the proverbial and literal driver's seat for the film, introduce a new character that will actually Star in Fett- or maybe make it Qi'ra herself. Instead, Fett can take on a more supporting but badass role. He doesn't need backstory or humanization, and we don't even need him to take his helmet off often, since he'll basically be played by a stunt person in a mask. This will go wonders in addressing the "Boba Fett will be ruined by a spinoff" argument.

    After that
    Keep Rian's trilogy, but try to rebrand it. Rian Johnson is such a controversial figure in this toxic fandom right now that by calling it Rian's Trilogy, you're really not doing any favors for yourself. Instead, focus on what the trilogy actually is (maybe call it The Old Republic trilogy, if that's what it is) or bring in some more talent that can be associated with the film. Right now, we know like one thing about this trilogy, and it's alone enough to turn off a lot of fans, so really this is all about branding right now.

    I'd want to have interconnectivity in this franchise, but also avoid bloat. If RJ's trilogy is Old Republic and B&W's is a different era (or vice versa, what have you) then make sure that they somehow tie together. Maybe they alternate year to year, and at some point halfway through one of the trilogies, there's a mindbowing connection between the two. Maybe, for instance, the sith in the Old Republic trilogy discovered immortality, and is also the villain in the other trilogy. Or something like that- just a hook, to tie the two together. And, of course, there needs to be ways that these are also tied into the other movies.

    Finally- appease prequel fans a little more. If you're gonna do a spinoff film, a gritty clone trooper squad vignette, basically the Rogue One of the Clone Wars, might not be a bad idea. And with today's visual effects, that might actually be pretty incredible.
     
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    If Rian Johnson was hated so widespread around the fandom, Lucasfilm would have shelved his trilogy. Instead they are moving on with it. That says a lot about Lucasfilm's belief and happiness with the product. Lucasfilm lived through the insane prequel backlash. They'll live through this small minortiy backlash too.
     
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    I think the character has a ton of potential. I just hope JJ and Cris Terrio can give her that, character. Less preachy annoying know it all. If anyone haters her because the actress is Asian then screw those fools.

    I like this, and I think JJ can deliver it. It appears Lando will be back, so that will be awesome (please please please don't kill him off!!!). I love the idea of seeing Anakin and Luke, heck together at the same time? That'd be awesome.

    I love the idea of James Mangold writing and directing Boba Fett. Logan is easily one of my all time favorite films. I can see him doing a great job with a set of bounty hunters. And wow, the idea of a bounty hunter civil war with Maul on one side and the Hutts on the other? Yeah, totally cool.

    I think they need to take your advice and rebrand the RJ trilogy. Right now there is a large segment for whom the name Rian Johnson is toxic. Rightly or wrongly. Further, get the man a co-writter and get the bloody story group to do its job. Don't allow him to do whatever he wants. There are rules to the Star Wars universe, and you just set yourself up for criticism when you suddenly have hyperspace tracking (as an example). I'm sorry but allowing him to just go and basically reboot the reboot JJ was STILL working on seems, to me, quite silly. Talk about NOT doing themselves ANY favors.

    And that last idea... Darn they ought to hire YOU to head up LFL. Seriously, the idea of a Clone Troopers war film, done Rogue One style... Wow.

    I was not liking the idea of releasing Obi-Wan on the streaming service, but I'm starting to warm up to it. Some of these could make for great small films with smaller budgets... films that flesh out the GFFA while keeping the budget within reason.
     
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    Haha, well, if they're looking for people... :p


    Seriously though, I think a Clone Wars film might have some trouble getting butts into seats given both the state of Star Wars now and the fan view of the prequels, but if Star Wars was able to generate some renewed good will between now and then and have a strong marketing campaign, this type of film could introduce a much wider audience to something more akin to The Clone Wars tv show and less like Attack of the Clones. If successful, that opens up an entire era of Star Wars to be heavily marketable again.
     
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    I would go all out on creative. Star Wars has always been about introducing us to amazing new worlds and characters. Just doing reboots on popular characters, although fun, will see sales fall IMO especially as the general audience will start to become apathetic to new releases if they are not part of the Saga.

    I agree going back to The Old Republic and getting inspiration from some of the great stories from Legends would work great. It would allow them to start with a blank slate however as a previous poster commented they also need to abide to the Star Wars Universe rules. Look at the Old Jedi wars, something that gives us the Sith different than we have ever seen them before.

    I also think the Clone Commando film shot like a war film is a great idea and would be epic.
     
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    Interesting post! I'm enjoying reading the responses and ideas.

    1. EU is an Official Alternate Canon
    First thing is I would do is make the EU canon and issue a graphic novel series that explained how the two timelines can to be. There wouldn't be a multiverse as with Marvel, but two different storylines that split and allowed the two different paths and two canons. This would instantly bring back a good number of fans into the fold. However, I would also keep the Sequels and TLJ. I saw a great post on YoutTUbe about how a concept in the animated series would allow for two timelines. (I forgot what it was called as I haven't watched them yet.) This way, fans who didn't like the new direction could just choose to follow the EU and enjoy the sequels as another universe, but it didn't have to be their stories. It would also open up more opportunity to revisit Jaina and Jacen Solo etc.

    2. Hire a Fan Council
    I would a hire a fan council of diverse fans of different backgrounds and ages and different views. They would discuss and provide feedback as to help shift SW in a direction that appeals to both new and old fans and treats the franchise with respect.

    3. Cut all the "Force is Female" stuff and honor both male and female perspectives and fans.


    For TLJ- I would not retcon the film except...LUKE COMES BACK and Rey's parents are somebody. His disappearance could be him transporting himself elsewhere or Yoda sends him back...I'm sure there are ways around it. He could return in a "Gandalf the White" sort of way. I wouldn't "recon" Luke or Rey per se, but have it work with what happened in TLJ. For example, Kylo was lying about Rey's parentage or her parents were indeed drunkards...but still important in some way etc.

    For Episode 9- Gather input from Fan Council before proceeding. Cut extreme politicizing and make sure all characters are treated respectfully. Honor older characters. Proper character development for new characters. No recast Leia. Possibly making Episode 9 into two movies ala Infinity War style to further develop the ST characters and provide more Luke Skywalker.

    Han Solo- I would make a much lower budget sequel for Netflix/streaming etc. and see how it does after 1-3 were announced. If it does well, more sequels would follow and possibly more direct-to-streaming or theatrical standalones.

    Obiwan- Would happen. Fans want this one. It would happen either via direct to video or theatrical.


    New Trilogies-would be based on entirely new characters and not connected to the Skywalker Saga, but may have connections to Jedi/Force/ etc. or include familiar droids and aliens.


    RJ Trilogy- I don't have a problem with this but I would want to see how fans were receiving the franchise after Ep.9. I personally don't like some of his choices in TLJ (but some of the pure hatred thrown at RJ seems a bit extreme) and a new trilogy is ….new. I just wouldn't want any meddling with OT content. Let it be fresh and new with no real connection to the other movies except Jedi/Force references and droids etc. However TLJ (whether you loved or hated it) was divisive and there is a lot of mixed feelings about a director being handed a very big franchise. I think this trilogy might work better on a smaller scale (at first).
     
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    I think I would first sit down with all the executives and creators at LFL to decide what we want to do from here. Move forward with changing the Force, lore, characters, or honor the universe George and others helped create prior to the sale. I would voice my opinion, but this would need to be ironclad final. Once that is established, I would need everyone of the employees to actually love and be knowledgeable of SW. I'm talking, down to the janitor. If you don't love SW, you shouldn't be working there, this isn't insurance. You need to love SW. The outside creative doesn't need to adhere to that, but internally, absolutely. When I read a tweet from one of the employees, and he hadn't seen one of the movies until he worked there for multiple months. WTF??? No, not with me.

    -More than strongly advise SW creators/employees to be off of Twitter related to SW.
    Do not engage unless it is positive. If that rule cannot be followed, then there should be a step into my office and close the door situation - if that doesn't work, well there's the door. Simple.​

    -The Luke Skywalker conundrum (we can't tap dance around this one as a company)
    If we are getting any Luke in IX, it is very important to get that right, if only to meet some halfway. Clearly, the story group thinks that a powerful Luke is a crazy idea and they are not interested in supporting exploring that idea further. To the current creators at LFL, it appears Luke is dead. I cannot argue that bringing him back would be, just a little weird. Of course, I'd get over it :D, but if I really look at the ending of TLJ, Luke died. I honestly cannot see him being a force ghost for Rey unless they are more deeply connected than it appears, so he probably should appear to Kylo. As much as it pains me to type it, I would also rather Mark not return unless he was happy with the script or his role from the start.​

    I would definitely not support bringing Luke back to kill him again at the end of the movie, but I could see subverting the subversion and making him powerful enough to transcend physical boundaries and live. Rey can be the heroine, but Luke actually survives this trilogy to train another group of Jedi with Rey as his primary student, and mentor for other students. If I could sweet talk Hamill into a 10 part mini-series or inital season(s) of a Disney streaming series (Young Jedi Knights?, Jedi Academy?). Mark and/or Daisy could heavily guest star with a new group of younger Jedi learning the ways of the Force. We could get a few moments for Luke, his training methodology, etc. I think that would go a long way for some people. Admittedly, with a time jump in IX, it would be hard to explain Lukes survival in any good way. You could also backfill Luke's story wuith Hamill leading up to the temple destruction. I don't like this kind of storytelling as much, but it could be something. It would be a way to get a younger audience involved outside of a cartoon.​

    -Make a rousing Obi-Wan adventure for one last hurrah on big screen or streaming service.
    With a focus on healing, I think Ewan, like Mark is a practical and easy going guy. I feel like he could combat a lot of negativity. As far as other material goes, I am actually fine with lower budget direct to streaming movies and shows so those little sub stories can be told. I expected it and said it would be a way to cater to varied tastes. However, if you are going to use legacy characters, I would try to align more with Legends material - you can change it a bit for the sake of keeping things interesting - think GOT. The Old Republic has a lot of material to be mined which I expect Benihoff and Weiss are doing.​

    -Start moving the narrative forward.
    I would like to see more forward story progression from Episode IX or a completely unrelated timeline to the saga movies for SW. I think the idea of a major plot point X = lets show the events leading to that moment is not interesting to me. I don't want to know where the story is going. There are so many directors/creators who I feel could be set loose in SW, on a tight leash of course. GDT, Luc Besson, Peter Jackson could probably world build the s**t out of SW. I was really looking forward to RJ after Looper, but in my eyes, he lost his privleges to more SW. You respect the past first, then you make your mark IMO.​

    -Get the video games and other ancillary material right.
    I don't really like movie tie in games, but they haven't even suggested a game with any of the new characters. Like a Rey focused game or DJ, etc. Not every story has to be so monumental you can't allow some freedom before the next movie(s) - lay it out with the story group. The story group just seems to be useless so far. Set a couple of limits for creators so you can begin to make the new content - it's not that hard. "You can do what you want, but Rey is not available from this time to this time because we are making a FPS game with her."​
     
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    I would like to see a stormtrooper movie that is similar to Full Metal Jacket.

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    You thinking something similar to the republic commandos game? That could definitely be interesting and they could either do it set during the clone wars or during the transition between episode 3 and 4 during the rise of the empire. This may not be something for the big screen, but rather something that could be done on the streaming service.
     
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    This is good stuff!

    1. Definately publish material in the "EU" time line. Or under the "Legends" label. Why not? There is obviously an audience for it.
    2. Definately need to get a fan council. It seems pretty obvious to me that the Story Group is a failure. They sure failed at making sure the saga films flowed from one to the other.
    3. The whole PC "the force is female" is ridiculous and simply reinforces the idea that KK is pursuing a political agenda vs. simply trying to make good films. The force isn't male and it isn't female. It is both. It is dark and light. Yin and Yang. If she can't understand that they why the hell is she running LFL???

    Han Solo and Obi-Wan... I'm actually excited by the idea of releasing these films on streaming. They could easily do a Han Solo second film with a smaller budget and that is released straight to streaming.

    They definately need some new trilogies, or film series' and I would sure as heck be a little cautious about giving RJ control over a trilogy. Especially with him saying stuff about wanting to change the force (if that quote is true/story is true). Like you said, his film was divisive, no doubt about that. Tentpole films aren;'t arthouse films. Someone needs to remember who their audience is
     
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    If I was the new Kathy, I would try to:

    1. Get out of the contract with EA for any future titles and open up bids for other devs/publishers to make Star Wars games. No exclusive rights to all Star Wars games. Your studio or publisher could make a single game including any possible sequels if the game is popular. EA can continue with what they started and even bid for another title but that's it. We should have way more new Star Wars games by now.

    2. Stop consciously trying to use Star Wars as a social change maker. Make good movies and if they happen to cause some kind of positive change in society, great. Otherwise these issues detract from your film and pull viewers out of the movie. I'm not talking about casting black/asian/hispanic characters btw.

    3. Hire someone to create some kind of class that everyone working for Lucasfilm who has anything to do with story or dialogue has to take that lays out the rules of Star Wars. For example, teach them that in Star Wars, nobody says "sh--," "damn it," "God speed," "bastard," etc. That sexual innuendo "for the adults" is not necessary, clever, edgy, or mature, and has never been a part of Star Wars (until now...). We don't need to know that Maz had sex with a code breaker or that Lando *could* have sex with his robot if they wanted to. The writers and directors can do all sorts of different things within the established framework. If a concept would feel out of place in previous films, it is because it IS out of place for Star Wars.

    4. Keep going with the Standalone films but listen to the fans. Ask them. Do polls. Would the fans (in general) like to see a Boba Fett movie? I would wager a larger part of the fan base would not like to see a Fett movie than those that would. But FIND OUT. Many didn't want a Han Solo movie (which turned out well as a movie, but not as a blockbuster success). Obviously you don't want to go overboard with this idea but the point is to include the fans in some of the decision making.

    5. Admit mistakes/bad choices made. If we mess up, we acknowledge it, pledge to make adjustments, and do better in the future. We don't ignore or ridicule constructive criticism.

    6. Any future trilogies MUST have an overarching story skeleton. It doesn't have to be super fleshed out and it can be deviated from to some degree but it has to be there.
     
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    - Formally announce the Obi-Wan Kenobi movie for a 2020/2021 release date.

    - Let Episode IX be released as planned, without making any major changes. It’s too late to fix the ST anyway.

    - Fire the whole story group department and hire new people based on their competence and knowledge of Star Wars.

    - Re-adapt Rian Johnson’s trilogy to a TV show that can run on Disney’s own streaming service (similar to how Inhumans was initially planned to be a movie, but was later changed into its own TV series).

    - Finish and release the unfinished seasons of The Clone Wars on Disney’s own streaming service. The last episode of TCW should tie directly into ROTS.

    - Announce a new trilogy partially inspired by KOTOR that will see the first full-scale battles between the Jedi and Sith and tie into future spin-off movies (such as a Yoda film taking place 800 years prior to TPM).

    - If the above works, just continue down that type of route....
     
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