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If You Hated 8, What Would It Take for You To Go See 9?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Rayjefury, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Rayjefury

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    This question is aimed at those who were displeased, disliked, hated, were underwhelmed or otherwisde did not like TLJ.

    What (if anything) will it take to go into Episode 9 with enthusiasm? Will the presence of a new Star Wars Episode be enough because you've been a long term fan? Does JJ Abrams returning to direct give you more or less confidence? Would you like to see George Lucas be involved? Will it matter if Luke shows up as a Force Ghost or not? Will you believe any of the trailer material and marketing campaign going forward?

    If you're not on board for Episode 9, what could get you back on board?
     
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    I'm not looking forward 2 it but i'll watch it anyway.

    So instead of bringing me back here is what it will take 4 me 2 hate it more then 7 &/or 8.

    Destroying the Falcon. Destroying the droid duo. Killing Chewbacca. Killing Lando. No Lando. No Wedge. Kylo having an indirect death like Phasma falling. Rey staying a nobody. No Ghost Obi or Anakin. No Leia funeral/monument. A run time longer then 2 hours 15 minutes. More then 30 minutes of Rose time. Kylo lives. And the thing I'll hate the most.....Rey & Kylo kiss/become a couple.
     
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    Good question. And I really don't know what could make me enthusiastic about Ep. 9. We'll have no Han, presumably no Leia, no Luke unless he's a force ghost, the one character who could get one up on Rey is dead (Snoke), and the first order is now run by dumb and dumber in Hux and Kylo. Meh. I'm hoping JJ does something great to close out this trilogy. Honestly, my plan is to creep online for spoilers after it comes out and then decide whether I want to see it. If they sound as bad as TLJ leaks, I'm staying home and waiting for the digital release. Oh who am I kidding, my husband will drag me to it regardless of how good or bad the leaks sound!
     
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    If TFA and TLJ were just Luke having a big force vision and we go back before TFA and start over.
     
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    I'm not a fan of TLJ or the ST so far, but I wouldn't say I hate it. I look forward to episode 9 because I think what they do with it could make me like TLJ & the ST more than I currently do. That said, the opposite could also be true
     
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    A free chauffeur driven limo to the cinema, free cinema ticket to a seat of my choice with a massive free bag of Maynards Wine Gums and the promise of a free Jedi Mind Wipe to forget about the film if I hate it too.
     
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    just get pd when you go see it. if you're lucky you'll time travel to the next day and not remember a thing!
     
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    pd?
     
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    ... piss drunk.
     
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    *grimaces and shakes head rapidly*
     
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    I'm not on the hate TLJ camp, but I have a few requests from 9 because if not, it will make me hate TLJ in general.

    Episode IX has to answer the important questions. It has to tell us who is Snoke? Where did he come from? We need this to be answered because he is a totally different villain for a different era. Don't tell me that the Emperor didn't had backstory back in the OT. He didn't need it as he is the original villain. He didn't needed to be explained. Plus, we got three movies with the Prequels to give Darth Sidious a backstory.

    We need a backstory for Snoke in the Sequel trilogy because it has to tell us where was this guy from all along. How did another very powerful force figure villain can rise after the Emperor? How did another powerful villain rise after Happily Ever After.

    It can't be ignored, and please, politics is crucial to be told to tell us the state of the galaxy.
    We can't run away from the Prequels, we have to take all the best aspects of the first 6 films in the right way for the Sequels.
    Don't take it as a liability, but more of as an asset to further enhance the story.

    I loved TLJ, and I hope Episode IX will make all of us look at TLJ in a better light. :)
     
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    Well, i do feel more confident wiith JJ in command, but it's not enough at this point : Rian severely showered my interest for our three main protagonists.

    What would really warm me up is Kasdan's return : his talent, style and sense of humor were cruelly lacking in TLJ.

    One can always dream ...
     
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    Interesting. I wonder if a Snoke back story can be successfully done in EPIX, I tend to think not. For one, they need to advance the story itself and the characters (Poe, Finn, Rey, Kylo) have to advance into a more assertive and active posture in their new roles, Poe as the new Rebellion leader, Finn as whatever the hell it is he's going to be (no one really knows), Rey as an actual learned and capable Jedi, not a Padawan, and Kylo as the Big Bad Scary Supreme Leader. I'm not sure they have time to advance and develop these characters with any depth in the new story while back explaining things that should have happened in 7 and 8.

    I think Rian made a mistake in assuming the same way the Emperor could be dispatched in OT without a backstory, Snoke could be dispatched without explanation (the variables were completely different). I doubt there is room to tell the Snoke story in the next story. And honestly with him dead, I find the answers to the questions far less meaningful. TLJ was our chance to find out what happened "while we were away". Not telling that part of the story effectively closes the door on it's utility going forward (at least that's what I suspect JJ and co will decide)
     
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    there is the off chance that, with whatever potential story is told with the KoR, that Snoke gets something of an explanation there.

    overall i agree though, there's no point in wasting time on a character that is dead and gone.
     
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    I can see them dedicating some time to talking about the actual rise and evolution of the KoR... someone's going to need to explain where they were for all of TLJ too, but honestly even seeing Snoke in a flashback will only serve as a reminder that he was unceremoniously wiped out of the story before we got any answers we were hoping to get. It's better to just leave him gone for good.
     
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    Interesting question(s).

    I did not like TFA and I deeply dislike TLJ. I was in two minds about watching it after TFA but wanted to give it a shot and to see the direction the story was going in after TFA. Little did I know that TLJ would manage the feat of both crapping over the OT and take the story nowhere. Truly the movie that Star Wars needed.

    I know I won't be watching Solo. As to Episode 9, no enthusiasm but I'll wait and see and decide in 2019. I might yet go watch it out of sheer bloody-minded completionism. I mean, I went and watched ST: Beyond after the horror that was Into Darkness. So, maybe I can stomach whatever they cook up for 9.

    JJ Abrams gives me little or no confidence. I think him another unoriginal hack.

    As to George? It would have nice to have him as a creative or story consultant for the ST. For one, we might have actually had a coherent overall story. Other than that, though, I think his time may have passed, and it's probably too late, anyway.

    Luke showing up will make no difference. TLJ pretty much took a giant crap all over him anyway. Appearing as a Force Ghost would be adding insult to injury. Thanks, but no thanks. Please stop.

    I don't generally watch trailers. I learned that lesson first after TPM. And learned it again after TFA. Didn't repeat for TLJ and won't for Episode 9, either.
     
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    Kevin Smith thinks the MF will blow up in 9.

    If that happens I'll throw my drink at the screen.
     
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    Spoilers Ahoy....


    9 has potential for Balance in the Force.

    My enthusiasm issue with Ep 9. is the unfortunate absence of a living connection to the OT3.

    I know the original plan was to make this Leia's Story. I am hoping that even with the death of the character (I presume) it can still be Leia's Story in some way. This is why I had a problem with what happened to Luke at the end. Not the act itself, but because of how it sets up Episode 9 without a real OT3 connection. I like the new trio very much but I am nowhere near as invested in them as I am to the OT3, and the lack of relationships between the 3 has a big part in this problem. Finn/Rey were set up nicely in TFA but had little screen time together in TLJ. Rey JUST met Poe, and Finn/Poe didn't have any further interaction as friends in their budding bromance.

    I really liked TLJ/TFA but I do have my qualms with both. TFA was too safe/similar. TLJ was too experimental/trying too hard to be different. To me, the first half of TFA is great then it starts to fizzle/get too redundant and predicable (whoa! Han died and the third Death Star blew up?! I just didn't see that coming!!) :D. Then in TLJ, the first half was weaker (though it did have some neat moments) and gained momentum and more Star Wars feelz in the second half. Perhaps Episode 9 will bring balance to the Force at last with solid pacing throughout, a strong start, and a finish that is both unpredictable/new but nostalgic at the same time.
     
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    i personally don't feel like any explanation is owed as to where the KoR were in TLJ. we didn't see them in TFA, other than during the Forceback, and since TLJ starts right after TFA ends i feel like they just didn't have time to show up. i don't need any further explanation than that.
     
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    It would not surprise me at all if the MF blew up with Chewy, C3PO and R2 onboard. They seem hell bent on trashing and/or killing the OT characters so I don't think this is a stretch.
     
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