If You Hated 8, What Would It Take for You To Go See 9?

Only JJ's personal assurance that episode 9 will be six hours long and will begin with Luke Skywalker waking up and saying "What the heck did I just dream!".

 

Finn being given status worthy of a lead character. Complete with exceptional battle capabilities, a serious disposition and a reason for being important besides "because the writers said so". So basically the same things that would have gotten me to go and see TLJ.

 

Yes! The lack of relationships among the big three may go down as one of the biggest problems with the ST.

 

Show a flawed Rey in a story that could help set up the next trilogy with this cast. Give Poe/Finn something meaningful this time around and cut out or reduce the role of Rose. Less awkward humor. Also have Rey get a last name during the movie or the time gap between 8-9. She deserves a surname that would make her feel less like an archetype.

 

Kill it if you have to. I agree, this seems to be what they are going for. Shock value and writing out the OT. Oh, and plot twists and misdirects, don't forget the plot twists and multiple misdirects. The Falcon is blown up, oh, no look, amazing it's not.... oh, yep, now it is.... waaaiiiit for it.... no, it really is.

I'm not looking forward to anything SW right now. I am curious to see what they'll do with 9, but right now I feel more like I'm rubber necking, driving by a bad accident. Price of admission, I'm thinking not, but maybe on the 2nd or 3rd weekend after spoilers leak I'll be willing to give it a shot if I like what I hear and read.

That said, I'd be thrilled if it could somehow make everything make sense in the first 2 movies. Tie everything together and just be a fantastic finally. Low expectations and high hopes here.

 

I would actually be over star wars entirely if I saw that nonsense.

 

JJ creates a character who looks like Rian Johnson, and "Riian" has a hump on his back and spends the entire movie following Rey around, sucking yellow milk from a larvae-like alien attached to his neck.

 

Given your comments, very insightful I think, I thought you might enjoy this: The Last Jedi: On the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.

Especially the bit about Rey "non-hero's journey". The whole article is a bit of a longish read, and quite interesting IMO, but the part about Rey is near the top.

Extract follows:

The greatest teacher, failure is,” Yoda says in this new film, and yet, it is Luke who is constantly and continually failing. In his old age in this Disney canon, Luke’s stubborn and stuck in a mire of regrets, waiting to die. On the other hand, Rey, in true Mary Sue fashion, has never failed onscreen. She’s never experienced being unable to help her friends, or having to choose between their suffering and her own life. The worst that has happened to her is that she’s had her mind invaded by Kylo, and she’s been Force-tortured by Snoke, but she immediately rebounds from both, and neither of those actions have any consequences past being beats on a script.

The biggest struggle Rey faces is in coming to terms with the fact that her parents basically abandoned her (or at least, that’s what the film leads us to believe; there’s maddeningly no conclusive evidence to prove that Kylo wasn’t lying). Rey is curious about the dark place on the island, the hole that leads her into a hall of mirrors where she’s mentally trapped into just going through the motions of endless instances of herself, and at the end of this trial, she asks to see her parents. Only, instead of seeing her parents, she’s confronted with her own face. The vaguely defined trial seems to be telling her that there are no easy answers, and that she will have to shape her own destiny.

Now, being attached to the idea of one’s parentage is an outward symptom of a deeper inner lack. In Rey’s case, she’s simply utterly confused as to what to do with all of her newfound power, and thinks that finding her parents will be the key to unlocking her path. This is also why she implores Luke for guidance. But in terms of an inner journey, this is a blatant cop-out. Her inability to reconcile her path isn’t a real character failing or inner demon. It’s a reality to be lived through, not a flaw to overcome and transcend.

 

Rose burning on a sea of embers, with Finn saying ''thank the flux for that''

 

I don't think there is anything that will get me hyped for Episode 9 at this point. Of course we'll all see it, but Episode 9 feels more like the PT at this point where I'm seeing the movie out of obligation and being a lifelong fan. I say this as a person who LOVED TFA as that movie somehow recaptured what I loved about the OT. TLJ felt more like the PT where the air came out of the bubble and I will just go through the motions til Episode 9.

 

Yes. One poor movie will not destroy a lifetime of adoration for all things Star Wars, *especially* when the writer/director of the poor movie will not be involved with E9.

More confidence. I even have a pet theory - which I admit is founded on nothing substantial but my own intuition - that Abrams was as disappointed with E8 as so many of us were and will seek to undo several things.

I wouldn't mind him being involved in a creative capacity.

Quite honestly, I don't see any possibility whatsoever Luke is not involved in E9.

Not sure I understand this question about what it means to "believe" the marketing campaign. I'm sure I'll eagerly download the trailer when it hits, follow officiall promo material, etc.

 

I hated the last Jedi I thought it was a mess. But I’m a Star Wars fan I’ll be their opening night for episode 9, wanting to love it!

 

All I can say to you is "Good luck"!

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Completely agree with you. I'm just not arsed either way at the moment for IX. Very happy to be swayed though.

 

lets go with that. I'm all in for that. That'd get me excited for ep9.







God I can't stop chuckling at this. This is brilliant.

 

Make him real short 2! I think RJ is hobbit sized.

 

daisy, john, and mark, dwarf rj.

 

I will admit; I too have very little enthusiasm for Episode Nine. I liked TLJ, but as I thought about it more and more; I found that the movie just disappointed me. I don't hate it, but I'm just mixed on it now as I do think there are good elements. But alas, even before TLJ; JJ Abrams coming back was not something I was excited about.

For granted, before anyone accuses me of jumping on the JJ hatewagon; I never liked Abrams as a director. I always found most of his movies too fast paced and lacked a lot of depth. Heck, MI3 is the only film of his I genuinely loved but really that was due to his style melding well for a Spy flick. And TFA, while I argue had a better narrative, I still think isn't a good movie. More now, given TLJ which I think is better, relatively due it being more ambitious and rhyming in a different way. But I digress.

To answer the question, my hope is that Episode Nine takes a more middle ground approach. Basically, keep the consequences of TLJ, but only retcon/ clarify aspects that left those fans divided. Stuff, like Snoke and Rey's parents. Also, Luke in that have him be prevalent/ changed to where his redemption in TLJ(which I didn't buy) actually sticks. Given that we have seen Force Ghosts do some crazy stuff, like summon lightning bolts; pull a Return of the King and have Ghost Jedi appear, such as Yoda, Anakin, Obi-wan or heck, Mace Windu. As for the dark side, maybe Force Ghosts? I know the NC said that couldn't happen, but given how casually LF treats the NC with the ST; just go all out.

Maybe, have Snoke reborn in Hux's body or something. Also, maybe have the Jedi order back but much smaller and have the Knights of Ren be the enemy. And for a final battle have it on Naboo. I think symbolically that could be cool to tie up the Saga as we started in Episode one on Naboo and we end on Naboo in Nine.

Either way, Episode Nine there needs to be a ton of thought. Rian Johnson for better or worse basically left JJ Abrams with nothing to cling onto. And yeah; I'm no fan of Abrams, but I do feel bad for him. Tiero is a good sign, but honestly a part of me wants another screenwriter attached. Maybe, David Koepp?

But again, just my thoughts. Don't kill me. Because really to be blunt; it is the toxicity of the fandom that has driven me away from discussing SWs. May the Force be with you all.