I'm so disappointed.. by the fans

First, if you can't tell she sees these folks as substitute parents, then I don't know what films you've watched. It may, in the end, turn out that she is a Skywalker, but at this point she definitely sees these heroic people as stand ins for the parents she obviously wishes she had.

Second, the part of "make a different series" works two ways. If you want a Star Wars saga that is ALL ABOUT the skywalker family, go watch episodes 1-VI. Just because "that's the way it's always been in the Star Wars saga" doesn't mean that it should continue to be that way. Technically, you are wrong anyway. Vader was not ALWAYS Luke's father. GL retconned that when he made Empire.

Third, the main character, antagonist, of the ST IS a Skywalker. Ben.

So Kylo Ren isn't part of the Skywalker family??? Oh okay. Thanks for the update. Do you not watch the films? Again, the ANTAGONIST IS a Skywalker. Hello? Can you read this?

It's great that you make these statements about what will happen as if you have a crystal ball, or are in tune with the force. Your prediction of what will be and all that is just sour grapes cause they didn't make the film YOU wanted them to make. My suggestion, since you've thrown your toys out of the pram, is to take a break from the internet man. Relax. Chill a bit. When I saw it Friday people clapped and the same yesterday and the same today. I think you will find your prediction of the death of Star Wars due to Disney are going to be wrong. Hell, if Episodes I and II didn't kill it, then nothing done so far will either.

 

Yeah, except even the prequels didn't have the only Skywalker be an unlikeable rebel scum--we had Padme to root for.

If Kylo Ren is the only Skywalker in this trilogy, that's a huge error and will make these films not worth revisiting down the road.

 

I do partially blame JJ for ending TFA on a cliffhanger which forced RJ to have to follow it up immediately. That is the biggest problem where all the other problems stem from. They need to do a time jump, it doesn't even need to be a huge jump, ESB to RotJ was 6 month jump. Having to follow up immediately was necessary for Rey and Luke's story but severely limited the story that could be told everywhere else. But ultimately JJ only gets a portion and Rian takes the brunt of the blame.

 

The only Skywalker in this trilogy is Kylo Ren? Seriously? Wow, and here I thought Leia and Luke were Skywalker. Darn it, I guess i need to rewatch the OT again. And here, after 40 years, I thought Luke was Luke Skywalker.

 

Except these "substitute parents" never explicitly accept her. The only character who actually addresses it is Kylo, and he uses it to demean her--"this is your greatest weakness." Is the audience supposed to agree with that? Who knows! Abrams and Johnson refuse to really address the family issue in any satisfying way.

Both previous trilogies had a Star Wars PROTAGONIST or more. Anakin was good. When he fell we still had Padme, then Luke and Leia.

The Sequel Trilogy would be the first set of movies in this "family saga" not to have a Star Wars protagonist front and center. That is awkward and bad storytelling.

The rest of your post is just flailing ad hominem because you know deep inside this film is not as great as you want it to be. It's going to have a very short shelf-life, unless Abrams fixes things in IX.

 

Jokes aside, JJ read and praised the script and was a producer on the film. This film didn't get made without his approval.

I believed for months that if Lucasfilm didn't give some fans the Skywalker force monarchy they craves there would be a major meltdown. I think that's part of what's fueling the backlash from the 8% of fans who had their head canon destroyed.

I just saw the film for a second time. It's a great movie full of fantastic moments. It's shame that some people could only enjoy it under certain conditions.

 

I'm pretty sure your in the minority who dislikes him, but hey, you have your own opinion. Awesome!

 

The whole point of these movies is to follow the generations of this family. We had multiple Skywalkers in each generation, in each trilogy:

Shmi, Padme, Anakin
Leia and Luke
Kylo and ?

You're just being willfully clueless now.

 

Or maybe you don't like the film and for whatever reason can't accept that most people like it.

 

Re thread title: I don't know why there's a problem with the fact that someone doesn't like TLJ. I don't like TLJ either, someone else does. So what? That happens. Are we only allowed to love everything they produce? Are they flawless or so?
And there are already many threads about these topics, I don't quite feel there's a need for another.

 

Who said anything about a Force monarchy? The Force is just a metaphor anyway. What these films are really about is family. But Johnson blew that up in his degrading of Rey's character, turning her into a flat, awkward Mary Sue-esque character.

I think JJ was just being professional and courteous to Rian. His quotes about doing IX clearly show he's going to take things back to TFA in terms of tone and characterization. That's why Rian in a recent interview said Abrams and Terrio could still answer the Rey's parents question anyway they want.

So sorry, but you're wrong.

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Haha, the fan ratings on websites tell a different story.

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I like him as a villain. But this trilogy still doesn't have a strong, interesting protagonist on par with Luke yet.

 

I don't really consider padme a full on Skywalker (she never changed her name because it was a secret) and Shmi didn't really do anything besides die in the prequels. Being a Skywalker doesn't make her one of the greats.

 

I was replying to the implication that the original poster had in first post, that he didn’t think Kylo was a real Skywalker descendant.

Its a common reason why people wanted Rey Solo/Skywalker, as it means she can kill Kylo and become the “true” descendant in the ST.

I don’t think the same. I want Ben Solo back to, but didn’t include it because I was specifically talking about Rey and her seeing the original three as family despite not being biologically related to them.

 

Of course when you make a whole thread condescending to people who thought TLJ had a blast plot, terrible cheezy humor and cringe worthy new characters you go straight to the political insult. (Jared Kushner referance? really?). This political pissing and moaning is as tired as jar jar binks. We come to this board to forget reality not be condescended to and have politics thrown in our faces. No body gives a blast about Kushner or your opinion of FANS. I don't appreciate nobility (hollywood scum) preaching to me about how bad nobility is. But have fun giving more money to the nobility on your third viewing.

 

The audience scores show that the overwhelming majority of fans loved the movie with less that 11% not liking it. Yes, the online polls tell us a story. It's a story of sad people voting over and over to convince themselves their minority opinion is somehow representative of most fans. It's not.

Further:

 

You must be physcic or something! Reading JJ’s emotions and intentions through text online...oh wait you’re just projecting your own feelings on his words to state your opinion as fact. Yawn.

The film is about family, and something i forgot to counter with earlier is thay both Leia and Luke were adopted for 19 years and close to their adopted parents. So what, now those relationships aren’t real? Because Star wars can ONLY be about 100% biological skywalker family and not adopted ones. I guess Leia viewing Poe as a son and Finn viewing the resistance as his found family is moot then. Pack it up people! The argument is over!

The fan ratings seemed to be pretty split last time I saw. Around 50%. So at least half of fans disagree with you. Whatever you say.

A Skywalker descendant CAN still be a villain and count as one. Anakin Skywalker aka Vader for many years says hi!

 

True, is seems to me that the ST as a whole has an underlying anti-family agenda. Feels communist manifesto influenced to me. Ben killing his father Han Solo, Rey's parents selling her as a slave for drinking money, Luke thinking about killing his nephew in his sleep for christ sake. There is literally no family dynamic at all in this whole trilogy.

 

"On Canto Bight we see this criticism of Nobility on full display. This planet of animal abusers and war profiteers are a stark contrast to the resistance that let's the Foxes take shelter with them, and are ultimately rewarded with an exit plan."

Brilliant!

 

If you didn't like thrawn_lives's post then why read through it and criticize it in such a negative way. Thrawn_lives never once condecended, but clearly stated how he was skeptical and didn't know what to think upon 1st viewing. He then listed the things he appreciated on 2nd viewing. I'm pretty sure your the only one who had a problem with the political joke. Stop over reacting and trying to belittle your fellow SW fans because you have a different opinion. Thrawn_lives was only trying to appeal to those who have problems with the film (which I have as well) by stating that many of their problems could be resolved in episode 9. You don't see us going into the thread for those who hated TLJ and telling them their wrong for making that thread.

 

So you personally know a lot of fans that won't give any more money?? okay so what is that like (giving you the benefit of the doubt here, lol) maybe 5 - 10 people out of millions of fans...

Oh boy, they are gonna miss those dollars.

Even if your holy grail RT source amount of fans that disliked the movie (remember that the ~100k people are split, so lets say ~50k people) that is still 50k out of millions of fans... yeah less than ~1%.. Yeah we wouldn't miss those dollars at all...

Good luck on finding a new IP to fall in love with, i am sure new fans are still coming in anyway to replace those who disliked it