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SPECULATION Imperial Senate Dissolved due to Rogue One?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Rift Chasm, Aug 27, 2015.

  1. Rift Chasm

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    I thought I read that there was an actor rumored to be playing a politician in Rogue One. So I got to thinking and wondered if one of the reasons the Emperor dissolves the Imperial Senate is that he has finally had enough of rebellious Senators providing material support to the Rebel Alliance.

    So when Tarkin announces this to the Death Star staff officers this is breaking news because the Emperor is about to come down hard on those senators who assisted in the Rogue One operation that procured the Death Star plans.

    It would be a nice short scene to help tie RO to the OT by showing the Emperor learning of which senators were involved in the operation and having them arrested and the Senate being dissolved.
     
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    That could be a great way to further tie the film to ANH, I think it could be cool to see as long as it is a very brief section of the movie.
     
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    I think that's a great PT to OT tie in. I am not sure about the actor hired to be a senator, but I do remember it. I think the fight is still more about the crew who does the damage, but the Senator is in league with Bail and takes the fall to ensure the Rebellion lasts just a little longer, and fortunately obtains two Skywalkers and a man by the name of Solo!
     
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    I think the movie take place some 4 to 3 years prior to ANH,propably even 7.Thats why we hear about a resistance cell and not about an organized armed rebellion.
     
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    Since the movie deals with the theft of the Death Star Plans, it would logically have to take place right before ANH. It is possible that the film itself may cover a larger time period, therefore leaving the possibility that portions could be set years prior to ANH, however the conclusion dealing with the theft of the Death Star plans would need to take place right before ANH. As for a resistance cell, I haven't heard that in relation to this film, but even if that is the case, even organized Rebellions can have isolated cells as well.
     
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    The making starwars speak for the first time about a pro-rebell resistance movement.
     
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    Actually, I think this is a really good idea.

    Think about it... when do we learn that the Emperor has dissolved the Senate? While the Imperial brass are on the Death Star discussing the implications of the theft of the Death Star plans.

    The underlying implication in ANH, both in that scene and aboard the Tantive IV, is that the Senate has been obstructing the Empire's more violent actions. By the time Vader sends the detachment of troops down to Tatooine to hunt down the Death Star plans, he is confident that "there will be no one to stop us this time." It's always seemed to me that he meant the Senate. And then, in the next big Imperial scene in the movie, Vader and Tarkin enter the conference room with the news that the Senate has been disbanded.

    Rift Chasm, I think you're definitely onto something here. Even if it's not a "Night of the Long Knives" sort of thing against specific Senators, I think the theft of the Death Star plans and the growing strength of the Rebellion gives the Emperor a perfect excuse to shut the Senate down once and for all, in favor of full martial law. And we could certainly get a little more background on this in Rogue One.
     
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    I'm praying for Padme's niece Pooja Naberrie to appear as a senator, like she did in the EU.
     
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    I'm all for seeing Coruscant and the Senate Chambers again, although that does kinda open the doors for Jar Jar to bumble back into TGFFA.

    Are we assuming, given this great idea of R1 leading to Senate closure, that Sidsous will appear in R1, too?....
     
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    WHaaatt??? Another opportunity to see Jar-Jar up on the big screen in a new Star Wars movie again?
    Holy s**t biscuits Sign me up!!!!

    Seriously Wayne. You shouldn't of even whispered that into your pillow at night.
     
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    There's some weight to this. Can you imagine if the Empire had blown up Alderaan WHILE Bail Organa was still part of the Senate?? While we know (as did likely Vader and Palpatine) that Leia was sympathetic to the rebellion, and by association that also meant Bail...was by definition was a traitor, and by dissolving the senate, the punishment could "legally" begin. POOF...there goes Alderaan....who's next??? ;)
     
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    Fear is what will keep them line. Fear of this battle station.
     
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    According to The Making of Star Wars the original Death Star conference (draft January 1976) had Motti propose to destroy every planet suspected to sympathize with the rebellion to which Tarkin then replied that "the Senate would not support the Emperor. A move like that would only aid the Rebellion."

    I believe that the senators secretly supporting the Alliance were not known, and already overburdened with taxation many were not willing to allocate further funding to the Imperial "national" guard or secret service (my 0.02 $ why Vader's aide aboard Devastator and General Taggi were so concerned about the Imperial Senate, whose bureaucracy service must have still had some considerable weight in Imperial affairs).

    The moment the Death Star had become fully operational may have been the moment to dissolve the Imperial Senate and transfer its power straight to the regional governors.
     
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    I'm pretty sure you're thinking about Star Wars Rebels.

    As for the OP, that's actually a really interesting theory! :)
     
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    It was dissolved right during the events of ANH, so maybe R1 might have been a catalyst but not a direct result.
     
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    It is also very important to remember that even by the time we get to ANH, we are still only dealing with individual rebel cells located throughout the galaxy, General Dodonna's being one among many (like General Soto's cell). It has been confirmed by P. Hidalgo that not until the events in ROTJ do we have the enitre Rebellion actually assembled in one place under one unified command. That being said, it is probable that we will not see any of our favorite characters from Rebels in RO (much to my dismay). Based on everything I have experienced with the new canon material, I think it is going to be another Rebel cell somewhere else in the galaxy with entirely new characters all the way around, with *maybe* a cameo here or there, but nothing major. Just my two cents.
     
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    He did confirm this? Oh, brother. Can you please provide me/us with the exact quote and/or source?Then the Lucasfilm Story Group is in need to explain a couple of things:
    • Why are Vader's aide aboard Devastator and General Taggi so concerned about the Rebellion gaining support and sympathy in the Imperial Senate?
    • Why does Tarkin say "Lord Vader will provide us with the location of the Rebel fortress by the time this station is operational. We will then crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke."
    • Why does Vader say "This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi and it will soon see the end of the Rebellion."
    The dialogue makes it crystal clear that the Rebel base on Yavin IV is the main base of the Alliance and that the Rebellion will cease with its destruction and not just a single cell!

    In addition we have these genuine Lucas Notes from 1977 where (through the voice of Princess Leia) he provides us with various facts and figures, namely that some planets provided military assistance to the Alliance while Alderaan gathered crucial information.

    Apparently other races and supporters had joined the Alliance by ROJ, but it was abundantly made clear in ANH that the Alliance as an organization was well in place, organized and established by the time of ANH.

    All these retroactive continuity maneuvers have to stop ASAP! Stop suggesting that the people who created ANH didn't know what they were doing and start doing thorough and accurate research. A New Hope as a film is canon, it's the source and the beginning of the Star Wars phenomenon and therefore deserves our highest respect.

    I think I need to do something I hadn't consider before - write a straighforward letter to Kathleen Kennedy and ask a couple of questions.
     
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    I doubt the senate was dissolved because of Rogue One's actions.
     
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    Rebels Recon for Wings of the Master.

    I watched it again, and allow me to clarify what I said, though you can obviously draw your own conclusions from it.

    The fact that the cells are operating individually does not mean that they are not still part off the larger Rebellion, especially the Empire's view of it. Remember that the Rebels ' specialty were hit-and-run guerrilla-style warfare, and the only way to effectively pull that off is to keep your forces small and hard to pin down.

    I don't think this creates any problems with ANH at all. How/ why would the Empire know the exact composition of the Rebel leadership and how they operate? The dialogue you refer to is between Imperial Officers. They are not privy to much of the information we are as a viewer. They have some very good assumptions, but at the end of the day, that is what many of their ideas of the Rebellion are based upon. Sure, we as viewers know there is a unified leadership, but Rebels has already made it clear that that leadership goes to great lengths to only give that information which is needed, keeping many of the cells ignorant of each other and their respective operations. This has also been reinforced in the new canon with the Battlefront book when we get to sit alongside regular soldiers at some key places in the OT timeline, and we see that even they are in the dark about happenings in their very location (for example, it is mentioned that some high-ranking Rebel leaders arrived at one of Twilight Company's assignments, on Hoth if I am not mistaken, but the information was classified. Care to take a stab at who they were?).

    Anyways, I don't think you need to set of all your alarms quite yet.
     
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    I appreciate your effort of rationalization but other than for Rebels it's not an ANH "fact" and no events in the OT suggest something forgotten which needs to be remembered. The "Cell Theory" is a retroactive continuity element introduced by Rebels and as such, IMHO, irrelevant should it attempt to revise or overwrite "first comes, first served" canon, i.e. the Original Trilogy.

    The clear context of ANH is that there is one central base of the Alliance to Restore the Republic which, once destroyed, would mean the end of the Rebellion / Alliance:

    ANH prologue: Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.

    One hidden base, not several.

    VADER I have traced the Rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link to find their secret base!

    TARKIN This bickering is pointless. Lord Vader will provide us with the location of the Rebel fortress by the time this station is operational. We will then crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke.

    VADER And, now Your Highness, we will discuss the location of your hidden Rebel base.


    TARKIN Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the Rebel base, I have chosen to test this station's destructive power... on your home planet of Alderaan.

    OFFICER CASS Our scout ships have reached Dantooine. They found the remains of a Rebel base, but they estimate that it has been deserted for some time. They are now conducting an extensive search of the surrounding systems.

    INT. MASSASSI - MAIN HANGAR DECK The military speeder stops in a huge spaceship hangar, set up in the interior of the crumbling temple. Willard, the commander of the Rebel forces, rushes up to the group and gives Leia a big hug. Every one is pleased to see her.

    Willard is wearing a general's rank badge like Dodonna and Ristt (erroneously referred to by EU as "Commander Hudsol"), yet he is adressed by Leia as "commander" which then suggests he is, indeed, commander-in-chief of the Rebel forces!

    VADER This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi and it will soon see the end of the Rebellion.

    ESB Prologue: Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy.

    Both ANH and ESB establish that by the time of ANH (if not already by end of RotS!!!) the opposition to the Galactic Empire has become united in the "Rebel Forces" / "The Alliance to Restore the Republic" and had one central base which wasn't destroyed in ANH but from which the "Rebel Forces" had been driven from prior to ESB.

    Just because we don't know the answer is IMHO not sufficient reason to rewrite history and context. The context is made clear both in ANH and ESB and until Rebels came into the world, nobody ever doubted the accuracy of Tarkin's and Vader's statements!

    Put simply it's not the context as suggested by ANH or ESB that constitutes the problem, but what Rebels came up with and now seems to be pursued by Lucasfilm at all cost (including Rogue One).

    Since it is Rebels that is the source of the problem, I'd then suggest that Dave Filoni and team also come up with a solution that's compliant with George Lucas Canon and doesn't contradict what audiences learned and accepted in good faith as true and accurate.

    And the same applies for Dave Filoni's considerations to torture us, yet, with another "truth from a certain point of view".

    "When gone I am the last of the Jedi will you be" said Yoda to Luke in ROJ.

    Certainly, Dave Filoni and team should have been aware of that when they created Rebels and should have considered a solution how they are going to resolve the Jedi issues from Rebels bearing Yoda's statement in mind.

    Another problem they created and I don't think it's unfair to say they are the ones that have to come up with a solution that does not go at the expense of the Original Trilogy's integrity and its protagonists (especially not - of all the characters - Yoda).

    I love Rebels but my relationship with this series will be terminated the moment they start screwing the Original Trilogy (as a matter of fact I already have a few issues but because these are rather trivial in comparison I consider these as "hitting").
     
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