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SPECULATION Imperial Senate Dissolved due to Rogue One?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Rift Chasm, Aug 27, 2015.

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    ^^ Exactly, and I think there is no reason these pilots did not fly A- or B-Wings just because the wore the usual X-Wing pilot flight suit, especially when you consider that in ROJ all Y-Wings were flewn by pilots with a different kind of flight suit.

    And here's some more pilots from the medal ceremony:

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    I've never really cared much for retconning. I'm always far more impressed when somebody can work within established continuity, rolling with whatever limitations that continuity might carry with it.

    B-wings and A-wings are in Rebels because the producers thought they looked cool. Which is fine, except that it completely undermines the established pattern of the Rebel Alliance gaining new tech as it attracts more members and systems throughout the OT. It was always pretty clear to me that the B-wings and A-wings, along with the Mon Cal cruisers and so forth, were recent additions to the Rebel arsenal. That's why we saw nothing like them when Luke, Leia and the others joined up with the fleet at the end of ESB. Yes, I understand that what we saw wasn't likely the entire Rebel fleet, but we also saw nothing more than the standard ANH starfighters there.

    Yes, the new ships weren't designed for the movies until ROTJ, but this just underscores the obvious plot point that the Rebellion was still just ramping up in ANH (at which time they'd just scored their first victory against the Empire, and were small enough that Tarkin expected to "crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke" by eliminating the Rebel base.) By the time of ROTJ, they had attracted so many new members and acquired so many new spacecraft that they were finally able to mount a massive offensive against the Empire.

    This idea that the Rebellion was ALWAYS this big and ALWAYS had all these slick new ships that we just happened to not see in ANH or ESB because retcon-retcon-retcon-retcon just strikes me as sloppy as hell. It's more of the LFL "Let's do it because it looks cool, and then we'll wedge in a hastily-concocted retcon justification later on if anyone asks," thing that I felt was always a huge problem in the PT. ("Well... Yoda wasn't REALLY Obi Wan's mentor. He was Obi Wan's kindergarten teacher - and every other Jedi's kindergarten teacher. Because Obi Wan is just a big fat desert rat of a liar, y'see...")
     
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    Exactly. On the other hand the A-Wing was already featured in the 1985 animated series Droids taking place 15 years before events of ANH.
    The B-Wing also has a somewhat ancient feel to it, but like you said, it rather looked as if new members of the Alliance actually "brought these to the table".
     
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    Well, Droids had a lot of blast in it. ;)

    I always felt that the B-wing felt a lot more slick and modern than the X- and Y-wings did, much along the same lines as the Mon Cal cruisers. And it always seemed to me that the design was supposed to not only look cool and unusual, but also to combine the best elements of the X- and Y-wings - strike foils to broaden the fire spread like an X-wing (a concept which, of course, they completely blew in designing the ARC 170, which had strike foils just to look cool and for no discernable functional reason) and then heavy firepower using multiple weapons systems like a Y-wing. That alone always made it seem like the B-wing was a recently developed starfighter.
     
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    But all those pilots have x wing & y wing uniforms so they could be on other missions but using x wings because I think only about 5 out of 30 survived the death star attack so those A & b wing pilots were probably in a deferent sector maybe protecting the Mon Cal ships yards our still being trained up on there uses as they are both much more complicated ships to fly than the trusted X & Y wings
     
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    ^^ If we follow the suggestions of ROJ, then the Y-Wing pilots in ANH did not wear the optimal Y-Wing flight suits. Hence, the pilots we saw at the medal ceremony could have piloted any Rebel starfighter, not necessarily limited to X- and Y-Wings.

    If there is one thing that looks clear, it's that the Rebels at the Yavin base had no idea Princess Leia was coming, followed by the Death Star. The 30 ships we saw / know about was probably just the skeleton force to protect the base.
     
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    As the JTTFA showed us, as well as Rebels, we have different cells and operations happening, so the main operations is like varsity .
     
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    The opening crawl of the third draft of ANH says that, "The Emperor knows that one more such defeat will bring a thousand more solar systems into the rebellion, and Imperial control of the Outland systems could be lost forever." The final screenplay says that the "Outland Systems" are what Tarkin is Grand Moff of. Maybe Rogue One will end with Sheev giving orders to Vader and Tarkin?
     
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