Important Evidence Kylo/Rey are Related

Well, I don't think these are evidences... just hints...

I truly believe that Rey's past isn't 100% written yet. That means Disney and the screenwriters are still figuring her story out. They intentionally left stuff open ended, so they can decide later what to do with Rey's past. It's even possible that the writers disagree with each other about Rey's origins.

That said, I think JJ Abrams personally would like Rey to be a nobody (like the "I'm no one" line in the teaser, cut from the final movie). He said multiple times in the interviews that Star Wars is about "no ones" becoming "someones" by their own effort — not by lineage.

 

I can imagine those screenwriters meetings where they have the same arguments we all are having here about Rey origins lol.

 

I agree with the points OP makes.

 

I refuse to believe this speculation until I know who Luke porked lol

 

That is great and makes a ton of sense why he would have it.

 

Clearly he missed all that stuff about destiny and the fact that all the movies center around at least one Skywalker then. He must have also missed the fact that force sensitivity is hereditary. If that's the case, I'm glad the stories are still mostly from Lucas, not JJ Abrams.

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A big one you missed is the fact that she was able to resist Kylo Ren and even overpower him while captured despite having just found out that the Force even exists, and the fact that Kylo had clearly been trained by both Luke and Snoke quite a bit (the guy froze an energy blast ffs), and is a Skywalker descendant as well. She also beat him in a lightsaber duel, lopped off his hand, and nearly cut his head off after just recently seeing lightsabers for the first time. I don't think anyone but a Skywalker, particularly Luke's kid, would be able to do that under those circumstances. I'd be willing to bet whoever her mom is has/had the Force as well. My guess is she's dead though, by Kylo or Snoke's hand. Hopefully VIII gives us the answers.

 

They'll be related alright, and my best bet is that they are cousins.

 

If Disney does not yet know how this trilogy ends then that is terrible planning on their part and we will ultimately have as many questions at the end as we do now. The more I think about it though, the more the final rey&luke scene bothers me. Mainly because we will not get to see how that interaction takes place. We will read about it in the scrolling text.

Honestly my biggest fear is Disney intentionally leaving plot holes to go back later and make an Anthology movie about, like with Rebel One due out next year.

 

Another possibility is that they have deliberately planted these hints to suggest the connection - but only in order to undermine it in episode VIII. I especially like the point about the helmets. I have a hard time believing this isn't intentional: every director will know about Hitchcock's famous idea that connections of theme, character, and plot can be effectively planted into viewers' minds subconsciously through image parallels like this one.

But having planted this connection in our minds in a bunch of ways, this might be because they're setting up for a twist in episode VIII. Given how very many parallels there were between TFA and ANH, it's likely they're going to try a major plot twist in episode VIII. But they'll also know that we expect this, so they'll naturally make serious efforts at misdirection.

I know: this way of thinking leads down a rabbit hole. If we go much further down this path, we'll end up thinking "But then, they'll expect that we expect that they expect x, so they'll do y instead!!, etc., etc.

Still, though, I can't help but wonder...

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Don't forget: Lucas had no plan to make Luke Vader's son when making ANH, and hadn't decided to make Leia Luke's sister when making ESB. Just because a plot point isn't planned ahead doesn't doom it to failure...

 

The biggest hint of all for me was the scene where Kylo did the mind probe, She managed to block out the map she had seen on the Falcon but instead Kylo sees an ocean and an island in her mind , Luke's actual location in the flesh. She has already had a very deep connection with Luke before seeing the map but i think they both fail to realize it .

"you are so alone" "So afraid to leave" " at night desperate to sleep.....you imagine an ocean....i see a.......i see the island"

When Rey lands on the island at the end she has already seen the place in her mind before.

It would be interesting to know more about that concept art with Luke buried in the sand. Did he have a similar connection with Jakku ?

 

I think it's possible Rey and Ben are twins and she wasn't left behind at all. Perhaps Han was watching her all along. Poe could also be related. I know he has a back story, but it's interesting he was left with some force tree or something by Luke while his parents were of fighting. Won't be the first time someone who's parents weren't who they thought they were.

Then again, Ben/Kylo could be a Solo and Rey a Skywalker. Could also be that Rey is totally unrelated to anyone was born very much like Anakin and it was known by Luke and they hid her away. She had her own moment there of good vs evil while fighting Kylo, so my gut says she's Luke's daughter, but it's a nice open book for the future.

 

Someone on Reddit figured out that the person stabbed by Kylo in the flashback is actor Mark Stanley from Game of Thrones. Stanley is credited as a Knight of Ren. This means Kylo killed one of his own men to prevent him from killing Rey... Why would Kylo allow just one apprentice to live and go so far as to kill his fellow Knight to save her?

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Daisy said in an interview before the film was released that she knows who Rey's parents are, and that it would be revealed in ep7. I'm guessing they decided to play out the mystery longer in the final edit. And the writers said it will be revealed in the next films. If she was just a nobody, I doubt they would have held off on telling us that in ep7. Instead, they are hinting at more.

 

I'm certain Kylo Ren doesn't loose a hand! He gets wounded on the leg, on the shoulder and in the face, but no hand is cut off!

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Good eyes, I noticed that too. He wouldn't want a girl he knew since childhood (if their age difference is in fact only a few years) and cares about her to be killed. They certainly have a connection. I think he feels that he is like a brother to her, even if they are cousins.
He is certainly nicer to her than to other prisoners. After the attack on Maz' Castle he carries her personally to his ship. But in the opening scene he ordered his soldiers to take Poe as prisoner.

 

I hope TPTB choose to make Rey and Kylo related, either as brother/sister or cousins. It just fits the saga for that to be the case.

 

well thats easy MRs Porkins off course - shes been feeling so lonely after her husband tragicly died in the first Dearth Star battle.


Back on topic

I believe 100% that Ben and Rey are related. I just don't think they are siblings. I mean, don't you think that Han and Leia would know if they had a daughter as well? and for them to know and not say just seems stupid. I'm still figuring out a meaningful way as to why Luke left her. Because even if the reason was good, it will be something Rey will have a hard time understanding. But what if her Mother, after the attack on the Jedi academy took Rey and hid her - even from her own Father Luke, in order to keep her alive. Or Luke and Rey's mother did it together and afterwards used the force on each other to remove or hide the memory of her in order to keep her safe.

 

I think they're brother and sister. Something about Reys interactions with Han and Leia seem a little odd. Like her and Han completing each other's sentences, and then he's offering a spot on the falcon after 10 minutes. Then Leia hugging her after Hans death, despite never meeting her before. I think they just didn't want to tell her at that time. Possibly. Or I could be completely wrong.. Rey had a rebel alliance fighter pilot teddy bear in her house on Jakku..

 

The age difference is still an issue. Little Rey looks to be anywhere from 3-6 in the flashback. She is 19 in TFA. Not sure if Kylos age is ever mentioned but he can't be older than 29/30. So at most in the flashback (if that's actually Ben and not Snoke) he can't really be older than 17.

Also, it's possible that Ben/kylo is the one who left her on Jakku.

 

Phasma is Rey's Mami!

 

This was my thought the whole time. If she is Lukes daughter it won't be a suprise, but if she ends up being a solo, that will be a plot twist at this point. If it comes to be Cannon that kylo saved her as a child, then I'm thinking she is definitely a solo. They are borrowing a lot more than I thought from the eu. Ben Skywalker is to much like jacen solo to not make rey the new jaina. They ain't getting rid of the eu. They are just borrowing the stuff that works, so they don't have to do a lot of the shoddy plot lines and I'm loving every minute of it...