In-progress Google Doc compilation of The Last Jedi rumors/spoilers

Oh good to know. So those are all things that are 100% going to happen in film?

 

Unless we state that we're unsure of where a screencap or plot point specifically happens, then we'll say so

 

Possible Rey outline?
Act 1 -> Ahch-To (Resistance Outfit)*
Act 2 -> The Supremacy - Snoke's Mega Star Destroyer** (Jedi Training Outfit)
Act 3 -> Crait (Jedi Training Outfit)

Johnson has also said that for his past films he likes to divide the film in half - so essentially he has worked with four acts. If that applies to this movie, than at least one location could double.

* Finn and Rose are in Canto Bight at sequence 132
** The ship was code named the "100 acre wood" (fan site). Finn and Rose planting explosives on it involving fire is sequence 213 (fan site). Rey has been seen on it being tortured by Snoke in the trailer, and merchandise has her figure dual packaged with a Praetorian Guard and appearing in her Jedi training outfit on the BB-8 Snoke ship set. Rey does not have the facial marks seen in later footage while being tortured by Snoke in the trailer.


No injury to Rey's face - Trailer


Snoke's Throne


Hot Toys Rey figure - Snoke's Throne Room background


Praetorian Guards - Entertainment Weekly




Rey fighting multiple opponents who may be the Praetorian Guards - D23 Behind The Scenes


Rey's damaged face on Crait - Hasbro Rey Crait figure


Rey's damaged face on Crait - D23 Behind The Scenes

The leaked TFA scene list went to sequence #346 and TLJ is a longer movie.

 

Myself and the doc's creator have actually started to lean towards four acts, so I think based on the new Rey-Snoke scene, assuming it isn't a vision (which doesn't sound likely), I think four acts is quite possible. Anyway, It also makes sense that Rey, Finn, and Rose would be on Snoke's ship all at once, because they're all on Crait at once (or do we have Rose pinned on Crait yet?).

We have enough material from Ahch-To that I see it being 2/4 acts. The third act has everyone on Snoke's Mega-SD, and the fourth act has everyone on Crait. That's my best guess right now.

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I'm currently editing the doc to reflect some new realizations on plot structure, especially the ones you've just given.

 

Finn is wearing the pants and boots of his First Order disguise from the BTS video on Crait.

 

Yeah, we've been aware that Crait follows the Star Destroyer.

 

Luke too?

 

Sorry, when I said "everyone", I meant the three I listed previously: Finn, Rose, Rey. Luke is currently MIA after Kylo Ren arrives on Ahch-To, and after the MSW report about Luke fighting the possible Knights of Ren. The next time we hear about Luke is when MSW reports Luke and Rey split up to go for Snoke and Kylo, respectively.

 

Huh, I don't remember MSW leaking that at all. Do you have a link?

If I remember correctly, that was posted on the StarWarsLeaks subreddit a long, long time ago.

 

Vanity Fair - Resistance Outfit




D23 - Rey & Chewie in space in the Falcon - Jedi Training Outfit

Hot Wheels Ahch-To Millennium Falcon play set says, "The Resistance is under attack! Prepare the Millennium Falcon for battle and launch into action to defeat the first order!"

 

Kylo Ren command shuttle with the First Order in the battle of Crait against the Resistance.





Kylo Ren leading the Snowtroopers. Possible battle aftermath.

 

I just read the whole doc. Nice compilation. I understand the doc doesn't claim to have it all figured out - some notable problems or open plot points are this: If Kylo arrives on Ahch-To and has a conversation with Rey, then I assume they must have had some sort of parley or cease fire? Because, you know, last time they met they fought. And how can Kylo be the reason they take off from Ahch-To, if Kylo supposedly attacks the old Rebel turned Resistance base? Because this way either the attack on Crait is a ploy, or something takes place on Ahch-To that explains this weird sequence of events. And If there was an understanding reached between Rey and Kylo, it doesn't make sense that Rey "goes" after Kylo.

 

Maybe the Kylo stuff on Ahch-To is Rey's force vision stuff.

 

That is one explanation yes. But I love how the notion of visions can now explain everything and at the same time question everything.

 

Found it on MSW.

The second point is easily answered by the fact we know Rey will be on Crait at the end with Finn, yet Finn and Rey have also been put on the Mega Star Destroyer. It also doesn't look like Rey has the cut on her shoulder or wound on her face until after he encounter with Snoke, meaning Rey and Finn, obviously, get off that SD together, since Finn and Rose succeed in their mission to blow it up (meaning Rey can't be on it during the Battle of Crait, or after it). Ahch-To ends with Act II, and this definitely looks like a four act structure to me.

So anyway, Kylo attacks Crait after the deal with the SD, because Finn and Rose's mission to the SD will obviously be ending prior to the Battle of Crait, otherwise they'd go from Canto Bight to Crait to the SD, which doesn't fit other details that prove how the timeline flows. So it seems like Rey goes with Kylo to Snoke, either willingly or unwillingly. What happens to Luke is uncertain.

The conversation between Kylo and Rey also appears to happen in reality, rather than in a vision. It's possible that the conversation takes place prior to the battle on Ahch-To, and Rey refuses to go with Kylo, leading to the battle. I believe the previous information suggested Rey and the Knights of Ren crashed on Ahch-To, so the inferno behind Kylo in that last shot of the trailer makes some sense that way. But it could also have been an aerial bombardment of the Force Tree, which would explain why debris is falling from the sky behind Kylo there.

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I have to admit, that Falcon-in-space shot doesn't fit in our outline well. It makes me wonder if Chewie in the Falcon rescues Rey and Finn from the Star Destroyer, and that's how they escape, or if Rey and Chewie simply fly to Crait after the Duel on Ahch-To, which would mean Rey is captured at the very end of the film. However, Rey being captured at the very end of the film would imply a cliffhanger, with Rey needing to be rescued in IX. That, I do not believe, is something they'd put in the trailer. So I lean toward this shot fitting after Crait, or after the destruction of the Star Destroyer.

 

Amen
I believe it could be something like what we've seen in TCW with Yoda on the Force Planet
Something like a trail.
Something very elaborate, perhaps in several stages.
Something that feels, appears real, but... it's not.
At the end of that, she changes clothes, because she's now a padawan.

It's just.. Kaylo going there for real, however it may end, doesn't fit well with the rest of the plot.
IMO.

 

Kylo going to Ahch-To, with who are possibly the Knights of Ren, goes along with MSW's own leaks. Plus we've seen Rey with Snoke, which conceivably follows an encounter with Kylo where she either willingly or unwillingly goes with him. Having the whole Duel on Ahch-To, Kylo and Rey leaving together, and Rey meeting Snoke all be one vision, is just too much. I'm going to go with Occam's Razor here, and say these probably aren't all just a vision of a possible future, and are instead something else. Rey and Chewie on the Falcon are about the only thing that could imply these are a vision. But if it is just a vision, then like 20% of the trailer is about visions: Rey meditating, Luke after the Temple Massacre, Kylo holding his hand our, and Rey being with Snoke. We know the first two have a good chance of being the place for a Force vision, but the later two seem like non-vision-related plot points. The misdirection there is suggesting to the audience that Rey will join Kylo, when we know that's extremely unlikely to happen.

 

I've been sceptical for monthes now about those MSW leaks.
It looks to me, that they've come to wrong conclusions.
If you read that post, it's preatty obvious that someone told them a story, "the story",
while some one else gave them some pictures.
And they honestly thought the pictures proved that story to be true.
But...
No signs of the KOR, so much so Jason now says he doesn't know if they are in the movie at all.
And he started saying those pictures weren't that clear..
And if you think about it, we've seen many bits of Ahch to that may fit with what one could have guessed
watching or even filming the shooting from far away...

We've seen Rey on a cliff, with a lightsaber, but she's with Luke.. training.
Then she's hanging on that same cliff (meaning she disappears for some seconds, while Luke stands near the big black stone)
and it's not because she lost a fight with Kylo.

Perhaps there are other scenes, I cannot say I'm 100% sure.
But I think those above, that are for sure in the movie, could have been misinterpreted by someone with bad pictures of the shooting and a story alredy told.

In addition, Jason said - I believe it's true or to say it better I don't want to believe he's a liar - that he have seen pictures of a Force Tree, a big one, burning.
Speculations were, that the Force Tree of Ahch to, gets burned during the KOR's assault.
But... in the trailer, when Rey reaches the Tree, it's yet burned. It looks almost petrified outside.
I believe that tree's got burn, but a long, long, long time ago.
And I think we will see that as something happened in an ancient past, again in a vision or in a story told or read in those books.

I just think we should not take that old report for something 100% confirmed.

EDIT: Another detail: We've see Chewie on the Raddus. And we don't know when the scene with Poe on those evacuation vehicles takes place. It could be before of after the battle of Crait.
If it's before... then you have to place Chewie on the Raddus (most likely with Rey), the evacuation of the Raddus and the Resistance getting on Crait. Meaning that Finn and Rose leave for the MSD from Crait. Or... better ideas?

 

Celebration 2017


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D23 Behind The Scenes


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Trailer

I guess this could be all the same location, the Raddus?

 

@MagnarTheGreat
Yes. Therefore at least Chewie shows up there.

The question is if there's another Space Battle/Assault that forces the Resistance to evacuate the Raddus and only then to move on Crait.

I guess that's the case.

First D'Qar evacuation. Poe in the pilot outfit + BB8.
Black One (boosted) isn't destroyed by the explotion in the hangar.
Scenes above D'Qar (Poe's boosted black one and BB8 + Kylo's Tie)

Once the battle ends, the Fleet keeps on traveling. Meanwhile Rose and Finn on C.B.

When they're back, Poe is wearing the Captain outfit.
Scene of Poe (captain outfit) + Finn + Rose talking.

From this moment on things get complicated.
I cannot say when Rose and Finn are sent to Supremacy.

But I believe the Raddus is attacked once again, after Chewie arrives, and only then the Resistance flys to Crait into those evacuation vehicles we see in the trailer (Poe's wearing the Captain outfit and his jacket is still "clean". During his speach it looks dirty of dust/salt)