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In what form will Palpatine return?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cassidy, Sep 4, 2019.

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How will Palpatine return in TROS?

  1. In the flesh (never died in ROTJ)

    13 vote(s)
    20.3%
  2. In the flesh (resurrected)

    13 vote(s)
    20.3%
  3. Cloned

    2 vote(s)
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  4. Spiritual (Force Ghost, etc)

    17 vote(s)
    26.6%
  5. Flashback

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  6. (Other)

    15 vote(s)
    23.4%
  1. DjChubakka

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    Ehhhh... it does cheapen it a little bit. Yes, Anakin is redeemed. But the whole feel good ending of ROTJ gets kinda tainted. However if a whole Ben and Rey scenario of struggle (could take many directions) with Palpatine in the flesh happens, that could wrap it all up in a rewarding way.
     
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    How is the ending of RotJ 'tainted' if Palpatine never actually died?

    The galaxy at large believed him to be dead, so the Rebels still get their victory and have the freedom to establish the New Republic, force the Empire to formally cease to exist, and trigger his contingencies; the only thing that changes is that he plays 'silent witness' to all of these things happening and simply sits there 'biding his time' until the right moment to strike back.
     
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    The "tainting" of the ending of RoTJ allready happened when they decided to make sequels, and at this point I don't think a living Palpatine changes it at lot. It is a little sad that the "happily ever after"-feeling of it is replaced by more problems and tragedies for Luke, Han and Leia. On the other hand, I don't see how else you could have made meaningful new stories with them included. But i don't think it is impossible to include a living emperor and still make a good movie that fits into the saga as a whole.
     
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    Because that sense of relief... "It's over." Isn't really true. If you can't throw him down a shaft on a space station, that blows up minutes later, to kill him... really why bother even trying?
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    I disagree with this... George intended sequels.
     
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    By that logic, Obi-Wan shouldn't have chopped Darth Maul in half in The Phantom Menace because that act ultimately proved 'useless'.
     
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    Vader saved Luke and vice versa... but attempting to kill Palpatine AGAIN seems futile.. The feelings you get at the end of Jedi are tainted by him surving. Obiwan defeated Maul... twice. But only once in the movies.
     
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    I totally understand where this is coming from, particularly in how it seems like it cheapens the "prophecy".

    But, in a way, it also seems like the logical direction for the Sequel trilogy. The idea of a prophecy seems like it belongs in an entirely different series now, same with midichlorians. If the defeat of the Empire was Anakin's redemption (and it still can be) then the reformation of the Jedi in finally overcoming their foe can be the Jedi as a whole's redemption, orchestrated by Rey (and possibly Kylo).
     
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    "Digi," buddy, you gotta let go the idea of a transfusion or forever down the dark path your journey takes you. It aint like a video game where you get a power up.

    I have a question that I would love for you "@DigificWriter" to answer. If the Kamino dudes got access to a certain hand, i.e. the one that Luke got chopped off and they then make clones of that person, Luke; as they can. How many of those clones would be force sensitive? Because all of the clone wars clones had Jango Fett killing abilities.

    I know Pablo said that "if someone gets or drinks force blood they do NOT get the force." My question is different, please answer.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 10, 2019, Original Post Date: Sep 10, 2019 ---
    "Prophecy" always in balance the force is. If the light side is all that there is, is that balance?

    Maybe balance is the light with the dark, the hill with the valley, the palm frond with the hand?
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    I voted other because I think he'll return as Dioxis gas.



    just kidding
     
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    My first instinctual answer is "None" due to the fact that, as per Pablo, you can't transfer or duplicate Force-sensitivity, but with the Force clearly having a will of its own, there exists the possibility that a clone of Luke could, as per the will of the Force, be Force-sensitive almost by accident.
     
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    Is the environment in balance without there being pollution?
    Yes it is.
    It will stay in balance even if there is pollution, but it shouldn't be too much.
    That's how I see the force. It's in balance if it isn't corrupted (by the dark/selfish side) too much for the light to handle it.
    It's not about dark and light being equally strong, it is about the dark being week enough to be handled with.
     
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    I agree, and I think this is close to how George Lucas have described it in the past as well. "Balance" in Star Wars is not about equal parts of darkness and light.
     
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    Exactly. Lovely analogy.

    Yes, I agree too.

    And this is the (good) part of what Luke really spoke of on Ahch-To... that whole thing where he teaches Rey about the tension between light and dark, and the cycle of life...

    In real life I think it's true too. Death is a natural part of life, but you shouldn't go around killing each other to make it happen or to use it for your own evil ends. If you followed the idea some have sometimes that there should an equal number of Sith and Jedi, the real world analogy would be 'it's great as long as only half the world are crazed psychopaths!' er... no, not really. That is getting towards Thanos' idea of 'balance' from the MCU, (albeit from a slightly skewed perspective of... well you know if you've watched it). But Thanos was the bad guy!!

    I feel like I've posted about this many times in various places. George Lucas' idea of 'balance' really is quite clearly documented and, in my view, well supported in his films. I also think so far it's been totally supported in the new Disney-era films, and I'll be a little pertubed if they tried to re-write it. I'd never say never, I just think they'd have hard time convincing me, and it's a beautiful fiction that I think refelcts the real world really well already.

    So again, I'm totally down for a dark spirit/possession Palpatine... even some corrupt, nasty broken 'version' of 'Force Ghost' for Palpatine. But not an enduring one like the Jedi Force Ghosts. It would have to be a perverse, twisted and ultimately unnappealing version.

    Basically there is the Force, in total. This is what beings 'become one with'. Then there is the dark side of the Force. That is always talked about being used, often by an individual, for their own selfish purposes. The themes of living in harmony versus dominating are clear and when it comes to retaining your identity but being part of a greater whole, I think the light side fits and the dark side doesn't.

    This is why I do like the idea of a 'possession' plot. It's surely the ultimate expression of the dark side / Sith culture - to use/abuse another living creature's own body like a puppet or shell for the purpose of cheaing death. It's selfish, dominating, tyrannical... everything the Sith/dark siders tend to go for.

    I can't wait to see exactly what they do.
     
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    He attached himself (spirit) to Vader’s mask.
     
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    One thing that strikes me while rewatching ROTS is that although he is very powerful he's also extremely arrogant, short sighted and a coward. I hope they don't throw those character traits away and make him an infailiable force god. Yes make him a massive obstacle to overcome and a huge threat, let's see him do crazy things with the force etc but I want to see his hubris and cowardice exploited in TROS awsell.

    If we get nearly a whole film of him acting like Thanos in Infinity war I then want to see his arse completely fall out of his trousers when ghost Luke/Leia and hopefully Anakin shows up. That would be such a satisfying moment. Every bad thing that has happened in all 9 films can be traced back to Sidious, I so want to see the panic and defeatism wash over him as the Skywalkers finally kill him forever. His "death" was a bit of a damp squib in ROTJ, I'm hoping for something much more epic this time round.
     
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    I think that Snoke comic is foreshadowing why Palpatine did not die when he was thrown down the death star reactor... In the comic Kylo Ren stops himself from falling down a precipice with the help of the force...
     
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    Ohhh I do like the pollution analogy. I guess I enjoy enough dark side characters that I just want to see a place for them in the GFFA.

    But interest to also note while CO2 is a greenhouse gas / pollutant, Earth needs it to survive. No carbon dioxide, no plants. The light, with the dark?
     
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    I'm now waiting upon the return of Master Windu, since we never actually saw him die...
     
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    What if, as is possibly alluded to in the poster, Sidious and Anakin manifest as force ghosts, sort of, and fight each other, sort of, as avatars alongside Rey and Ben respectively, as they duel. And I mean respectively. Sidious with Rey and Anakin with his grandson (finishing what was started in ROTJ).

    Not like this,though.

    But sort of like this, though. :p

    Rey and Ben would be in a saber duel. Not a weird, arms length thumb war like Egg Shen and Lo Pan here.

    But I like the basic idea of tandem battles.

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    Bear in mind the force-back scene from TFA and how it reintroduced subjectivity into the narrative of SW (in a big way).

    Anything's possible.
     
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    We have seen every flavour of cheating death on the dark side: clones, cyborgs, unnatural old age - we will likely see a combination of all of these. This will be the culmination of all Palpatine's past experiments and technologies. It will be monstrous.
     
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