Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

No doubt ..

 

Opinions are welcome, but distortion of facts are not. You can scream all you like about how much you hate The Last Jedi (I find Rogue One, awful, sloppy work myself, so I get it), but you can't then spin those opinions into false facts. And the facts are:

1. The Last Jedi is a massive success.
2. Most fans loved the film. Most of America loved it too and the critics loved it.
3. There's nothing even remotely "sacrilegious" or canon destroying about The Last Jedi.

Your opinion is just your opinion, it can't be used as "data" that the franchise is in trouble, or that a massive change is needed in the franchise's leadership. You have to reconcile the fact you hate a movie that is a massive success and overall the franchise is in far, far better shape than it was just 5-years ago.

This is the issue some of us have, some fans take their personal dislike, their own personal culture war and weave it into the 'facts' about the film and the franchise's stability.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts and the reality some posters here can't seem to reconcile is the fact that Star Wars is in better shape as a franchise than it has been in a very, very long time, in fact you could argue the franchise is in a healthier place than any time in its history and there is reams of data to support that. That's the facts. Your hatred for the film does nothing to harm the brilliant future ahead for Star Wars. It's a welcome opinion, but it has no affect on the obvious trajectory for the franchise which will continue to delight audiences, impress the critics, shatter the box office and reap in mass profit and delight Disney shareholders.

Star Wars is winning. Even though some of you, apparently, can't admit it.

 

I didn't like the PT. You know what I didn't do for the nearly 15 years from the start of the PT and the beginning of the ST? I didn't waste my energy hating them. I mostly talked about what I liked. I kept to the OT and the scattered parts of Legends I liked. Occasionally I get sucked into (childish) debates over them, it happens, but I largely avoid that as best I can.

I don't like Blade Runner. It's fine enough I guess but it never grabbed me the way it has so many and I couldn't even muster the energy to see the new one despite my love for Denis and Deakins. But I don't go lambasting people for liking it.

It's fine to not like TLJ.
It's fine to love TLJ.

But have reasons. Be able to defend those reasons if you are going to be militant in your stance and don't get cranky when someone refutes your point.
There's a difference between a debate and just screaming, even online.

It's not fine to tell someone they are wrong for not liking it.
It's not fine to tell someone they are wrong for liking it.
I have a lesser problem without someone trying to convince someone to like it than dislike simply because, well, more happiness is good.

Find what makes you happy about Star Wars and focus on that, because it's been a month. If you are still constantly negative, you need to find someone to talk to because that's just not healthy.

I'll even amend this a bit: When I first joined here, I got confrontational about the PT. It was a dumb choice. It made my experience less fun. When I just stayed away from it, my time here got much more enjoyable and I began posting a lot more. It was fun.

 

No?
But it seems to upset you that not everyone is on your "Boycott Disney" brigade and after a month people are just tired of the shtick.
In fact, it seems clear that you didn't understand a single thing I wrote.

 

As much as I really don't want to, I probably will. There's much that can happen between now and the next film to get me interested in SW again. I don't think I can ever really turn away from Star Wars since I've been a fan since 1977.

 

You are conflating me saying "take some time to chill and relax" with "your opinion matters to me personally" it doesn't matter to me, quite frankly, a lot of opinions on here matter less to me than what my dog thinks of me.

I'm more concerned with the overall mental health of people who have spent literally the last month doing nothing but trolling or posting how bad something is rather than just finding something they like to talk about. Also, it's just old. I have no clue how anyone can be *this* upset still without it being faux outrage from the outrage culture that has been cultivated. Outrage = clicks, likes, attention. It just isn't healthy man.

I restate again, that you didn't understand because I'm not saying I care. I'm saying stop being a dick if someone else liked it or didn't like it. I care about people not being dicks more than what your opinion is.

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I'll put it this way: We are arguing over the merits of being consistently mad and angry about a fantasy film, wherein the main focus is how giving into anger, hate, resentment and other things of that nature is bad. Consistently being mad or posting how much you hate this film is literally making you a Sith by Star Wars standards.

 

Stupidity irritates me. I feel obliged to point it out.

Plus, the constant negativity and hate threads are swamping the site. Though, I’m personally not saying people can’t say things. Heck, I like to give a little gentle ribbing as much as the next person. Just saying that, if they do constantly say stupid and baseless things (and only these things), I will use my right to label them a troll. And a buffoon.

Now, TLJ is clearly not perfect. There are discussions to be had and criticisms to be made. It’s just certain people don’t actually have a reasonable point to make and are being purposefully obnoxious (not you). This Loire chap hasn’t posted one non-hateful thing and is feeding off the hate. It’s bringing negativity to the site and whether one should rise to it or not, it’s stifling good debate.

 

I didn't say yours specifically. How about that not getting upset part? You still on that boat? I never specifically stated a single person or individual for any post. If you took it that way, it says more about you than I. Remember, YOU came into this about me, not the other way around.
Anyways, you clearly still don't understand my point and feigning outrage now.

Have a good one.

 

Ummm, yeah I beg to differ. You also aren't seeing the posts that have been removed by Mods. The TLJ bashing is tapering off, but has been going strong since it's release. Usually it's just people making up reasons to hate LFL or Rian Johnson. Others just wanted the movie in their head made and are playing armchair director. Everyone seems to be able to take what Johnson wrote and make it better. But if they had to start with a blank sheet of paper, it would be a different story. Which makes that kind of criticism unfair.