Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

And yet that is exactly what you are attempting to do you with your 3 (so called) "facts" below

That is an opinion, one I guarantee you is not shared by all in charge. Is it profitable? Absolutely. But if you think the powers-that-be at Disney consider a 33% drop from E7 a "success" then you are mistaken, nor do they consider decreasing toy sales in 2017 terribly successful either.

Let that sink in for a moment: Toy sales in 2017, a year where a main-series Star Wars movie came out, were lower than 2016. Not good.

49% positive on Rotten Tomatoes suggests this is not even remotely a "fact."

This is nothing more than, as you say, spinning opinion into fact.

Indeed.

Star Wars isn't going anywhere. We have 6 announced movies on the horizon with all the requisite merchandising, novel, comics, etc. Nevertheless, E8 was a step in the wrong direction. Even though some of you, apparently, can't admit it.

 

I feel a pain in my left buttock and a twitch in my right eye every time I see this thread still on the first page.

 

no

 

I remember why I took a break from The Cantina for a bit- forums can be beautiful, threads can be deeply interesting, but they can all be a bit too much to deal with. The 1030th and the Staff as a whole just want to keep it simple, sound and welcoming. However, our rules are our rules, and while free speech cannot be denied, there are many other venues to dispense the multitude of opinions regarding TLJ and Star Wars if they conflict with the values that have allowed for these forums to thrive. I ask all of you to at least consider what a thread can be at its fullest potential- joyful, layered and above all, fun. I came back for the fun, and I hope you all stay for it as fellow Star Wars fans.

 

Welcome to the Cantina!

I've always thought this Rotten Tomatoes rating has been misinterpreted. The 49% rating really doesn't speak for the fan base as a whole (in my opinion). It just shows the rating percentage of those who actually cared to log in and vote, which really a very small representation of those who have seen the movie. 49% of those who cared to vote liked it, 51% didn't.

Rounded, 177K voted, 51% of those didn't like it. That is roughly 90K. I wouldn't say that speaks for everyone who has seen the movie. Domestic total alone, TLJ has made 597M. Using an avg. US ticket price of $8, we can conclude 75M tickets has been purchase. 90K people giving negative votes out of 75M viewers is only 0.12%. To me that Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't speak as a "fact" that most people didn't like the movie. It also does it speak as a "fact" that most like the movie either. It just it just represents a "fact" of those that voted on the site. I personally never have cared to vote myself. This is just my opinion though.

 

Not to mention the rumors that TLJ Rotten Tomatoes score was heavily botted. Plus, like you mentioned, most people don't care enough to rate movies on sites like Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB. I don't really see this as indicative proof.

The differences in scores between IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes does really intrigue me though.

 

I think that the correct word for the RT and Metacritic situation would be brigaded or review bombing (this happends a lot in games, for example Assasins creed origins, wolfenstein 2 and the infamous mass effect 3), and it's supossed that IMBD has a system that prevents this phenomenon ( i think that it doesnt count the raiting of the new accounts or something like that) ( still IMBD system is a little bit vulnerable)

 

Yea, The difference is intriguing indeed. Both is really just a small representation of those who have viewed the movie. Wouldn't think neither speaks for the whole, but we like to use it to try to prove our view.

Edit: I think both can be manipulated but I don't know if it is as big as some believe. I don't know though.

 

While I agree with you mostly, my wife drove off in our car yesterday....I didn't think she was leaving the planet. I guess I'm saying that just because her parents flew off in a ship doesn't mean they were going off-world. Drunk driving away in a space ship doesn't mean they were leaving Jakku. They may have been going to space-Vegas with their new loot. I dunno.

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It was probably the pacing. It was off. The pacing was off. That's all.

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Why aren't the Star Wars figures selling? Toys are gathering dust on the shelves. Lucas said the money is in the toys.[/QUOTE]
I got a Porg and a Rey/BB8 figure for Christmas....and I'm 48.

I think the toys didn't sell because who buys/plays with toys anymore? I thought this about 3 years ago. All the cool kids gots the apps now. Angry Birds, etc. That's the new toyz.

EDIT: Angry Birds probably shows my age. I'll go home and reconsider my life.

 

i gotta agree with this completely. they're somehow making the wrong toys.
i've got money to burn at this stage in my life and nothing more to spend it on.
the only thing i want and still don't have yet are Rose and Finn in FO uniforms from the Black Series.

i would have bought a LEGO Millennium Falcon if LEGO actually made enough to sell (grrrrr).
where are the Vulptex and Falthier and Caretaker toys?

fer crying out loud, i can only buy so many Kylo Rens (and this is me saying that). : o |

 

No doubt you'll be at the front of the queue for a TLJ shirtless one of these...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kylo-Ren-SW-Lifesize-Cardboard/dp/B0191K5ON2

 

to be perfectly frank, i find the whole "shirtless" Kylo Ren thing offensive.
funny, but offensive nevertheless. so no, i would not be queuing up for such a thing ~ hahahaha

 

Please note I didn't say most fans didn't like the movie. What I did was respond to an individual who called it a "FACT" that "Most fans loved the film. Most of America loved it too." There is zero evidence whatsoever this is the case, and plenty of evidence it isn't.

Statistically speaking, 177K people is an HUGE sample size, even for a population of 75M (for comparison, when you see a political poll on TV, they usually only sample a couple thousand people to create a margin of error of a couple percentage points). The margin of error of a random sample of 177K people (from a population of 75M) would be less than +/- 1%. Now, as you noted above, it is not a purely random sample, so that increases the margin of error. But if we are being fair, it only increases the margin of error by a couple percentage points and not, like, 30 percentage points.

One thing that angered me to no end - even before I saw the movie so my opinion of the toys was not influenced by my opinion of the movie - is the incredible shrinking packaging for the 3 3/4 line. 2 years ago I was upset at how cheap the figures and packaging were, especially by using artwork instead of actual pictures. Now they've managed to go above and beyond previous levels of "cheapness" with the ridiculously small cardbacks for the 3 3/4 line.

Gimme a break, Disney.

 

You have no proof for the scores being "heavily botted" and even Rotten Tomatoes have denied this.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/st...enies-claims-last-jedi-scores-rigged-by-bots/

7.5 is a poor score for a newly released Star Wars film.. The Force Awakens was still 8.2 or something at this point.

It's pretty clear that much of the fanbase thinks this film was disappointing.