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Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jimba Fett, Dec 24, 2017.

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Will you give your money to Disney to watch episode 9?

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  1. Use the Falchion

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    Oh, we definitely will be. But hopefully like the PT and ESB before it, TLJ and TROS will be and feel vindicated by time and distance.
     
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    Problem with TROS....it isn't bad because of how it treated the Skywalker/Solos. It isn't even bad because Palpatine won in the end.
    It's a truly awful film.
     
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    You saw TLJ? was alternate universe Rey created in Ach-too. She triggered world beyond worlds down in the hole and she was so unstable she split and created timelines. The one we watched was not the true timeline.
     
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    One wasted opportunity was the potential for Hux to be the 'big bad' in TROS...for all the criticism levelled at Johnson for making the character the 'butt' of jokes he also showed how menacing and powerful he could be. As Snoke said, he may have been a 'rabid cur' but he had his uses.

    Hux was the real power behind the army - he actually told Kylo Ren that. Hux designed both Starkiller and the device used to track the Raddus through hyperspace. This proves his intelligence. And someone with that amount of brains would obviously figure out pretty quickly that Kylo was lying when he said Rey killed Snoke - how come she managed to also kill the Praetorians while Kylo stood and did nothing?

    At the end of TLJ, the look on Hux's face as he watches Kylo kneel in the abandoned Rebel base said it all - 'You are going to slip up, and I'll be waiting for you to do so.'
    For all his power, Kylo was one man, he didn't command the armies - Hux did. And everyone in the FO knew how unstable Kylo was. Not good leadership material.

    All Hux had to do was find evidence that Kylo was responsible for Snoke's death - and he'd got him. Force powers or no, Kylo wasn't omnipotent.
     
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    The problem is the audience wouldn't have taken Hux seriously, yeah there was the odd moment where Hux stood up for himself, but for 95% of the his screen time he was pulling silly faces, getting your mum jokes made at, getting thrown around by Snoke or Kylo. If the characters on the screen aren't taking a character seriously, not to mention the actor himself isn't taking him seriously with his over the top comedic facial expressions, then the audience isn't going to take him seriously.

    So in order for him to go from that point to been taken as a serious character as the big bad, would take a hefty chunk of screen time, some really great acting and writing and even then you run the risk of audience members just looking at him as the slapstick dogs body from the previous film. For me they went to far down the comic relief, butt of the jokes route and didn't include enough of him being a menacing clever character for him to be used that way in the TROS.
     
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    Agreed.
    I think the difference in Snoke's changes between TFA and TLJ come down to what he represents and how to interpret that. In TFA, I felt as if Hux was supposed to represent Fascism, or this old-school view of it. The whole F.O. was a sort of neo-Fascist parallel. (JJ did admit that the First Order was inspired by the idea of Nazi's regrouping in Argentina.) To me, that was scary, because the idea of such dogmatic, such fanatical men in power was terrifying because we've all seen it, if not in real life, then at least in our history books.
    Back when the movie was first out, to it looked like Hux's portrayal was RJ laughing at the concept - he found Fascism as something...not necessarily old-school, but something that can no longer be taken seriously; something that when truly looked upon, should be laughed out the room. He wasn't threatened by it.
    Looking at it now, or at least looking at it today, I think it's RJ laughing at the idea of a fanatical, mustache-twirling villain like how Hux and Snoke were originally portrayed. Simple villains like them who only seek power and destruction without purpose will always fail to those who have a purpose. Maybe.
    Then comes TROS, where Hux is just petty. I still think there could have been a way for him to have been the butt of a joke while still being impactful or menacing, but alas...
     
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    I didn't see him as 'comical' throughout most of TLJ, though. He was played for laughs at the beginning, and also when Kylo tossed him across the ATAT...but for the rest of the time, he was deadly serious.
    Most of all it's his expression at the end that truly creeped me out...he looked like a predator smelling blood.
    He was far more ridiculous in TROS - especially turning out to be the 'mole'. Lots of ways for Hux to get rid of Kylo without making a deal with the organisation he hated.
     
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    I think his character arc became less about the success of the First Order and more about being a foil to Kylo. For as obsessed as he was with defeating the Republic/Resistance, his obsession with Ren was even greater.
     
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    Hux came across to me as like the guy who gets promoted at work because he kissess @$$, backstabs less wily people and keeps the underlings in line so that management doesn't have to bother. He's not there because of some innate talent or they are good at leadership. The thing with Hux (as it is with such types) they really think they are in their position due to hard work and because of competence and entitlment. And have no idea that they are being used. In the first throne room scene with Ren and Snoke. When Hux leaves : ) Snoke starts laughing and tells Ren what he really thinks of Hux.



    Hux is essentially a useful idiot. Even when you go into TROS and see General Pryde (whom reading between the lines from his exchange with Palpy that he was an effective military man) That he has no respect whatsoever for Hux and sees him as nothing but a weasel who go to where he was due to nepotism and treachery. He is not a great battle commander. Ren on the other hand is, and Hux resents him for taking his place that he thinks should be his.
     
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    Couldn't agree more, Lord Snow
     
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    I thought you might like that!
     
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    Are we still talking about SW or do you have new neighbours who are United, rather than City fans? :D
     
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    Ooooooooh. Awkward :D
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    Which is why I honestly thought he'd end up 'dethroning him' after finding out that he was Snoke's real killer. Because, let's face it...that excuse Kylo made was full of more holes than a colander; how on earth could a half trained girl have killed Snoke, ALL his Praetorian guards...and bested Kylo Ren yet again?

    Whatever faults Hux had, stupidity wasn't one of them. He designed StarKiller and the hyperspace tracking device so whatever he lacked, it wasn't intelligence. Ironically, Pryde was just an older version of him.
     
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    Snoke called Hux a tool. And he was. He was never going to be a big bad.
     
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    Where are you getting information that Hux designed SK? It was built using the designs of the old DS. And from what I have seen HS Tracking existed for years and was even mentioned in Rogue One.

    It's highly unlikely that anyone or everyone believed Ren's story about Rey killing Snoke. It might be a combination that they they went along with Ren because they saw that he was a good/brave leader willing to go into harms way, afraid of his force powers and lack of respect for Hux in general given his incompetence:

     
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    Regarding Kylo, I never thought he'd make a good leader...he was mentally unstable and volatile.
     
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    He was in CT's "Duel of the Fates", so never say never. Furthermore it was pretty much set up in TLJ.
     
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