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Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jimba Fett, Dec 24, 2017.

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Will you give your money to Disney to watch episode 9?

Poll closed Dec 24, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. undecided

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  1. McDiarmid

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    I can not stress more the Importance to see TLJ at least 2 times.
    I never watched film that feels so different and better after rewatch.

    I remember my late father and his story about 2001 Odyssey,made by our distant relative.

    Film was accept badly ,1968.Film was felt as travesty and booring by many.
    Cinema went almost empty.
    Than,
    slowly ,people started to return,one by one,because there was something weird....which turned to be act of pure genius and legend was born,slowly.

    TLJ would flopp on box office,but its something else than a blockbuster,something much more.
     
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  2. Jimba Fett

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    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm still unsure what you mean by "Great Work of Art" as you didn't really backup your claim with any evidence to support it. I respect you can't put it into words and I'm glad you got that much from it. I don't see how you could put TLJ on the same level as 2001? Although certain aspects of both movies are equally as baffling to me. 2001 was in another galaxy altogether in terms of cinematography, innovation and ideas. Rian Johnson? A kubrick he is not! How much was Rian's writing and what was influenced by Kennedy and the bigwigs of Disney I couldn't possibly say. It would suggest some of its female influence may have had something to do with Kennedy but that can only be speculation.what is clear though right off the bat. Any Star Wars movie owned by Disney will be created with the aim to make a lot of money. Disney would kick Kennedy's ass if that doesn't reach a certain figure. Kennedy in all her wisdom would make sure Johnson is steering the boat in the right direction. There was a risk Johnson took with his "great art" but it was a calculated one and one Kennedy hopes won't lose too many fans going forward. Personally despite my thread I don't think she has much to worry about as the masses will buy a ticket regardless of whether it's great art or not. It is called Star Wars after all and that alone has pulling power.
     
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    You are welcome. Honestly at first when I saw the thread my thoughts were, "Oh no, not ANOTHER anti-TLJ thread!" But I like this thread and thank you for starting it.

    I guess I was so busy with a job transition (I was getting out of the Navy) and just doing other things during the years between ROTS and the new films that I didn't really pay attention. I'd stopped reading EU books in the 1990s (I didn't like the Solo kids always getting kidnapped, etc.) so the books didn't even register on my radar, nor did the games. However, with the new stuff, I've started reading the books again and I've been pleasantly surprised by books like Tarkin, the two Rogue One books, etc. So yeah, I'm pretty happy about it all.

    The idea that EVERY cinema experience ought to be pure gold is insane. Seriously? Was your experience with the PT "pure gold?" Thats just not realistic. The "pure gold" of Star Wars was IV and V. Not every film is going to be ground breaking like IV was. And V was not seen as "pure gold" at the time. It was fairly divisive, as much as was possible in 1980 without the internet .

    As for the idea that it's the old geezers like us that don't like this, I dont' find that to be true. My wife loved it and she's in her mid 40s. I'm 47 and I loved it, as did a bunch of my colleagues.

    Star Wars became something alien when Lucas went down the road of midichlorians, removing the fantasy/religious element of the force and trying to make it something out of Star Trek.

    You have to remember, these characters don't know what we know, and their motivations are different. Take Holdo/Poe. Holdo was an Admiral, Holdo a lieutenant (I've always hated that they mix Naval and Army ranks... You go from Commander down to Lt. Commander or Lt, not captain... Yes I was in the Navy and they need to fix this darn it!). Anyway, an Admiral is not going to explain her self to a Lt (or captain as she calls him). It doesn't work that way. She does not need to explain her plan to him. It's need to know, and all he needs to know is that he doesn't need to know until he is told. This is supposed to show his growth from hot shot pilot who acts on instinct to one who thinks things through (like he does at the end).

    If you play this game, then just about all films don't work. The point is that the characters make the wrong decisions which then move the film forward (if they all made the right decisions then what is the point of the film????).

    I liked the humor. I didn't care for the highly stylized way that Leia returned to the Raddus, but I don't know how you would do it better. I didn't care for that part, but I liked that we finally get to see her do SOMETHING with the force (rather than just feel Luke, etc).
     
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    My favorite movie of all time! The masterpiece of cinema!
     
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    Disney are the true makers of Star Wars - George Lucas was an imitation in comparison
     
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  6. Jimba Fett

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    I hope that was a joke?
     
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    No, it's 100% accurate
     
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    Disney are making good Star Wars movies, but that wouldn't happen without George Lucas.
     
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    And George Lucas has admitted that he was inspired by previous art and fiction, so it doesn't matter. The fact is that Disney have made much more competent movies than Lucas, the only exception being ROTS
     
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    ROTS??

    What about ANH?
     
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    No, because ANH glorifies censorship
     
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    I understand your position, however you'll find that the overwhelming majority of diehard Star Wars fans measure Disney's versions against Georges versions whether they realize it or not.
     
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    Of course I'll will.

    As much as I dislike TLJ and I won't be going back to see it again, I will always go and see a new Star Wars film.
     
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    That's perfectly fine; I just can't regard the Lucas films as anywhere remotely close to the quality of TLJ and Rogue One. Even Revenge of the Sith is just another prequel film after its own quality has been exposed
     
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    I gave Disney more money today. And will again next weekend.

    I'm sorry if you are disappointed that I liked this movie.

    I can't help but wonder....if the critics hated it out of the gate, would things be different? Is this more a backlash against critics?

    Just a thought. Now dutifully spew away...
     
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    To be honest, I'm unsure if I want to keep supporting this new era of SWs. Let me be clear; I liked TLJ but I will admit; this is after a first viewing. And given the amount of valid criticism(It isn't just dumb fanboys. The movie does have a load of problems associated with it, like pacing, narrative etc.) I have heard and have ruminated on the movie; I do admit my view on it is less favorable than before.

    With me recognizing this movie is flawed, but nowhere as good as it could have been. Though, I give Rian Johnson a lot of credit for his ambition.

    That could change with a second viewing, but as of now, I am a little bit disappointed; Frustrated, at LucasFIlm and their lack of consistency with this ST. For me, that is the BIGGEST issue I have with this ST. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi feel like two separate movies with barely any connective tissue. And yeah; the OT had this issue, but GL was smart enough to have a plotline of Luke and Vader carry from ESB to ROTJ. I do not trust anything the Story Group or what Rian Johnson/ JJ Abrams talk about the future of the ST due to the disjointed vision.

    I have experienced this before with the PT, namely with ROTS being the ONLY PT era movie that I genuinely love. And I get that these movies are for a new generation but I find that shouldn't be mutually exclusive to how the OT characters have been handled. Plus, there are some other gripes I have, New Canon, Kathleen Kennedy's personal politics, but I'm not going to open a can of worms. As of now, I'm not really looking forward to Nine. I'm more curious, but not enough for me to drum excitement.

    And if anyone likes this new direction, cool. More power to you! Heck, I wish I could be like you. But to be blunt; my love for SWs has died down. To where I might not be as active. But let me say this: I want to thank each and every one of you. This fandom can be toxic, but there are bright spots in this forum page. I am truly happy to see such diverse views, even if I don't agree.

    But really, much like Luke: perhaps, it is time for me to go into exile and take a break. May the Force be with you all. Always. :)
     
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    Until Poc characters are treated better- then I am not sure.
     
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    I agree with your views on Episode 8 and Episode 9. TLJ also left me disappointed and frustrated, it felt like it's undone some of the great work and excitement that TFA created. For now I too can only look to Episode 9 with curiosity rather than excitement.

    At the moment my opinion of TLJ isn't high and most of the issue's I have with it won't change my mind. I just hope that RJ and JJ have had a story in place for this Trilogy and aren't just making it up as they go along. If they do have a plan then perhaps Episode 9 will make TLJ a far superior film and that some of the questions we had after TFA, that were passed by in TLJ, will be answered and not just missed out completely.

    But for now I'm turned my attention to the Han Solo film, praying Disney doesn't mess this up as this is their biggest risk so far!
     
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    disney doesn't deserve my money for the last jedi, now the others star wars movies that has to come in the future I can't judge before seeing them.
    I watched tfa 3 times, and only once The last jedi. In contrary i had a blast watching jumanji welcome to the jungle. I'll rewatch that movie with a friend this week. It where my money is going to go , jumamji and not the last jedi.
     
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    Seen the movie three times. I will absolutely be paying to see it again, get it on Bluray, and watch episode 9 in the cinema.
     
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