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Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jimba Fett, Dec 24, 2017.

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Will you give your money to Disney to watch episode 9?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. undecided

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  1. panki

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    Actually, I had no fixed headcanons and my theories changed every once in a while so my issue with the lore really had nothing to do with my theories not working out....as a matter of fact, I was always open to Rey having random non-famous parents.

    But I did feel the movie completely disregarded existing canon lore in several places....on the topic of Rey's lineage for instance, it disregarded Rey's vision of seeing a ship flying away in TFA, Rey's Survival Guide mentioning that she was left there by mistake, Before the Awakening's mention of Rey watching a child and its mother and only leaving after they got back on their ship etc which make little sense if she was the child of Jakku drunkards who sold her and died in the Jakku desert.... and worse, that she knew all about it but didn't want to admit it.

    Hence, I think its just not worth buying other media materials beyond the movie dvd/blu rays as they contribute little to knowing the story.
     
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    Firstly I did not feel insulted by the TLJ.I have only seen the movie once at the cinema and are looking forward to get it on blue "rey" because Im kind of mixed about it and feel the need to watch it again to digest it properly.I had high expectations due to supposedly leaked materials(which in the end was bullocks)and then I got sad and bitter after reading the true synopsis of the story.So I did my best to go in neutral and give myself a chance to enjoy it.
    Which I did to an extent.Im gonna see the end of this.Hoping J.J can wrap it all up in a satisfying way.Im gonna also watch the Han Solo movie.Because I have always liked the star wars franchise as solid popcorn sci fi movies.So yes Disney is gonna get some more cash from me.
     
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    I thought at the time of watching TLJ that the story of Rey's background was a lie either conjured up by Snoke or Kylo Ren himself. Another plot twist I expect for episode 9!
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    Other fans of the franchise myself not included wouldn't agree with you. I have been surprised by the amount of fans that love Luke's character in TLJ and if anything we could very well be in the minority here. Even people that were against it the first time have come around to liking it with repeated viewings.

    I don't really know what effect the fan backlash will have on box office results in the future but I predict reluctantly that it won't make too much difference if any. The poll on this thread for example shows the majority will still buy a ticket regardless of whether they liked TLJ or not.
     
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    I won't watch TLJ again. Won't own it for sure. Pretty sure I'm going to skip 9.

    I watched the PT again and really liked them. Jar-Jar doesn't even bother me now, which in one way is a good thing about TLJ.
     
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    I'm just shocked that so many people like it. I really can't see much to like about it. I read and listened to a few reviews expounding why it's such a great movie. I haven't seen many polls so I assumed the opinions of a few must have been an aberration. I really didn't take those opinions very seriously but now I see there are more people that really like it than I expected. This doesn't change my opinion in anyway, I'm just left confused.
     
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    You can't really feel insulted becuase a lot of people love the movie.

    Yes their are those of us who didn't like it, but can't say i felt insulted. I mean i did feel Rain Johnson was deliberately trying to shock his audience and keep them guessing to the extent that at times if you didnt know better it almost felt like he was Trolling star wars fans. But i don't think that was his aim, i just think it came across that way to some becuase he simply wasn't interested in telling the story the way JJ Abrams set up and he really wanted to keep audiences on their toes through out.

    The problem came that by the end of the film you where always looking for the curve ball so the constant misdirects lost their punch, and the fact Johnson obviously put so much time into shocking audiences that the story that surrounded the constant shocks/misdirects/twists wasn't up to scratch.
     
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    The ship left her no source says where it went. But it centered in Rey's trauma induced hope. "My parents are coming back."
     
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    The title of this thread makes me think back to when Anakin didn’t get made a master and got all cross: “it’s never been done in the history of the Jedi, it’s insulting”...and then Obi Wan tells him to calm down. Makes me chuckle. Then I read the posts...



    ....and carry on chuckling.




    Troll rate away.
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    Gif of the week!! Well played that man!
     
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    Insulted? No.

    Dismayed? Yes.

    I agree with most everything Mark Hamill has said recently . . . including the moving on with it. Complaining wont do any good. The integrity of Luke Skywalker was shattered and he was turned into a completely different character of which I am not familiar.

    The first Star Wars movie was titled A New Hope for a reason. Bravery and optimism is what made Luke's character so infectious.

    This movie destroyed that.

    Moving on. Hopeful IX will be more of what I enjoy about Star Wars and less random, pointless surprises just to make a surprising point.
     
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    I kind of know how you feel I walked out the first time going how can any one like this its a mess? like their are so many things wrong with this film, so when i went online and to see what others thought i was really surprised how many people seem to like it. Like you i find it really confusing. Normally if a lot of people like a film i don't i wouldn't care, The problem is its Star Wars and i want to love it, becuase i love star Wars, Blast i even love the prequels and disliking this film makes me sad.

    Maybe this film will go the way of the prequels, which where pretty well received at the time, especially Phantom Menace and over time they became the dislike for them grew, so maybe the same thing will happen with the last Jedi. People convince themselves its great when it first comes out and over time when the excitement dies down and the desperation to want to love the film dies down more honest reviews come out. I mean Kingdon of the Crystal Skull got good reviews when it came out becuase people want to love it.

    Ive also spent a lot of time reading/watching reviews on the film and i would say that most of the positive reviews don't spend much time talking about what they like they spend far more time defending the films bad points, that can't be a good sign.
     
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    I appreciate your attempt to draw comparisons with audience reaction to both movies. However I think comparing 2001: A Space Odyssey to The Last Jedi is quite frankly absurd. For a start if Kubrick's movie received box office figures that Disney has with The Last Jedi, I don't suppose Kubrick would have cared at all whether many people thought of his film as boring. For example even if you adjust what 2001 made in it's entire lifetime to today's ticket prices Last Jedi has made more since it's release. The reason 2001 wasn't received well when it was first released is because Kubrick was attempting to change the form of Film. People weren't used to a movie that didn't have any dialogue for the first 25 minutes and altogether through the film there was 88 minutes of no dialogue. Also the last part of the movie is widely open to interpretation. The masses weren't used to a movie being so intellectually demanding and surreal. A large amount of young adults going to the movie in the late 60's, and arguably the biggest contributor to the gradual increase in box office figures went mostly to experience the "star gate" sequence under the influence of psychotropic drugs.

    This isn't to take away the genius of the movie and the innovative technological strides that Kubrick made to make it. If anything the innovation and the deep historical references that were used by it's creator, I would say 2001: A Space Odyssey has more in common with Star Wars in 1977, the movie that started the franchise. There are probably many more parallels except that one was more of an artistic accomplishment while the other was more of a commercial one. The other major difference is that Space Odyssey was more science fiction while Star Wars had more in common with fairytale story structure and ancient mythology. Both creators spent a great deal of time consuming a wide range of literary sources to use in shaping their vision.

    I simply can't really put Rian Johnson's Last Jedi on the same level as those two movies.

    I'm glad you get alot from Last Jedi.
     
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    If you feel personally insulted by a film, you need to take a long hard look at your narcissistic self.
     
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    I understand your interpretation would apply if I was only watching the movie and saw Rey's vision....but I am reading that vision sequence of the ship leaving with two other canon material sources- Rey's Survival Guide and Before the Awakening, which indicate Rey herself feels she was left on Jakku by mistake and pointedly refer to a mother and child returning to their ship having an impact on Rey....both going against the possibility that she was from Jakku itself in the first place and her parents were junkyard drunks who sold her (indicating she would have seen them around after they sold her...at least until they supposedly died in the desert)

    Hence I return to the point I was initially making- if I had just seen the movie, I would not care about continuity......but I pretty much bought a ton of other canon materials, which turned out to be a big waste of time and money since the filmmakers seem to disregard them anyway.
     
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    I didn't say I was personally insulted as in it was a movie designed to only insult me that would be a ridiculous statement. I simply said insulted to imply that the movie insulted my intelligence just as many Hollywood movies do. When any movie is built up to be something fantastic in order to take your money and it turns out to be awful then I definitely take that as insult to everyone not just myself. The fact that so many people today love movies like that I think is very sad. It's always been the way that the masses love pap and here it's no different. There is no way on God's earth that Disney deserved all of that money for such a stupid, boring, cringeworthy movie. It makes me mad but like my opinion or not there we have it.
     
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    Or the parents got on a transport that got them out of Nima Outpost. So she saw a ship leave for who knows where. Maybe they even told her they'd be back to keep her quiet. Point being they could have simply flown to a different part of the planet. Maybe they wento Reno Outpost.
     
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    That doesn't explain how she was aware her parents were drunks and sold her for drinking money.....if they told her they would be back to keep her quiet, then she would not know this fact (which she supposedly did according to the movie).

    Also, the books mention that she was alone and wandering around until she came upon the fallen AT-AT, saw plants growing there and got the will to live.....if she was Unkar or someone's property, she would not be roaming free, looking for a home etc (Unkar would want to keep her alive to work for him, just as he keeps those impounded ships he kept)....also, she is proud of the fact that she is free and not a slave...and she was also looked after by older scavengers and helping them until she got a bit older and then only worked with Unkar..... all this goes completely against the movie explanation.
     
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    I'm not insulted but disappointed because they borrowed significantly from the OT and rehashed characters and scenes. That reminds me of Alien: Covenant, Star Trek, and Mad Max. My guess is that it's because producers figured that large numbers of viewers worldwide are young and not familiar with the older movies.

    I expect to see more of this in future films, and for many other franchises.
     
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    Did it say they were buried on Jakku, specifically?
     
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    I strongly believe that I heard:

    "They're buried in a pauper's grave in a junker desert."
     
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