Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

To make it even more confusing have you ever heard a possible Star Wars universe meets Star Trek universe?

 

I just want to say to the 14 people that said they will not give their money to Disney to watch Episode IX....you are full of it.

 

Yes, even though TLJ wasn't what I had hoped for SW is still my favourite franchise. Unless there's a streak of really bad movies I won't abandon the galaxy far far away.

 

Agreed

 

It contradicts because you are trying to hold a rigid definition rather than a colloquial one. Tatooine had a formal slave trade with clear ownership and explosive chips. Jakku was a hell hole junkyard. She could work or die. If she found good scrap she ate. Point being the quick shorthand account of "sold for drinking money" descriptive of what happened. We don't have all the details but you are throwing out details of you learned from the books because if how you are interpreting a single phrase from Kylo.

• She would work with other scavengers if Unkar allowed it, ordered it or if Unkar was happy enough to let her die/not feed her if she wasn't going to work.
• She would write such things in her journal if she like many neglected children invented a story to protect themselves from the pain. It really is common.
• She would see the distinction because it is a real distinction. She remains in part because of her deluded insistance her parents will return for her. Further Watto was an owner in a formal slave economy, he had the chips he had to answer to the Hutts if he was not honoring bets that risked his property. Unkar seems to be the local authority. Bring him crap he will let you eat. Your free but you'll die.
• A ship that could fly them elsewhere on the planet or off to die as drunks in unmarked graves. The fact that Kylo knows where they are buried suggests Rey knows to. Which should make you pity the strength of her delusion.

 

1. IF we go with your argument that Rey's Survival Guide was one big 'made up' coping mechanism Rey created to hide her neglect, that book was technically one big lie and not worth buying since it really contributes nothing to canon- hence, reiterating my point.

2. You referred to Jakku as a 'slave enconomy' in the first place....but if we are breaking things down into casual and formal slave owndership, your argument of casual slavery would only apply to free scavengers forced to deal with Unkar or starve.

IF her parents sold her for money, Rey would be an actual slave, just like Shmi and Anakin, not a casual slave...and if someone had actually spent money buying her, they would not let her roam off to the outskirts of a desert where she could get lost and die (she found her AT-AT home on the outskirts of the desert while still a little girl). If there is any doubt as to Unkar's attitude to money and ownership, you should read the short tory- True Love. Unkar would make sure he got every penny for anything he acquired. So again, a contradiction between canon books and the movie.

3. Kylo never confirmed he knows their graves- he says they are probably in a pauper's grave in the Jakku desert.

For all your arguments to work, I have to make a hundred assumptions and twist many facts .....I think the purpose of other canon material is to bolster the movie's story and give explanations which cannot be given due to paucity of time, not to take complete U-turns in the story and confuse fans.

 

There is too much amazing, awesome stuff for me to like in the ST that the terrible, terrible decisions Disney has made along the way are not yet enough to turn me away. So, bearing in mind that nothing is perfect, as long as Disney keeps doing more good than bad, they'll get my money. That said, I do have concerns about Kathleen Kennedy's priorities after reading some interviews recently. So, fingers crossed that KK doesn't get to steer the ship entirely and defers to others when it comes to pleasing long-term fans.

 

Indeed. And same to the people that have watched TLJ once and vowed to never again. It’s ridiculous and it reveals their pettiness.

I didn’t like ROTS upon my first viewing. I watched it again and loved it. I didn’t like TFA. I watched it a further two times and still couldn’t get into it - but I tried because I love Star Wars. I don’t understand the logic of people who come to a hasty conclusion and flat out refuse to even try and enjoy the film. If you love SW, don’t you want to at least double check and see if you truly hate this movie?

Strange behaviour.

 

Blockbuster movies live on repeat business to pad their numbers, that’s why Studios rely on them for profit compared to the end of the year Oscar nominated movies.

In saying that, I can say that TLJ has lost significant repeat from myself and many of my friends. I saw TFA 4 times in the theater and have only seen TLJ once. That is one reason why TLJ is 200 million behind TFA at this point of both of their runs.

Obviously most will see Episode 9 because SW is in our DNA, but again it comes down to repeat business and I predict Episode 9 will make less then TLJ. That will be different as Episode 6 and Episode 3 made more then their predecessors.

 

I didn't like ROTS on my first viewing either, but I didn't hate it outright. I had some problems with it but I still liked some things so I saw it again in the theater. What fans like you don't understand about fans like me is that TLJ is the first SW movie I absolutely hated. Every SW movie before, I enjoyed the experience and something kept me coming back for atleast a 2nd trip to the theater. There was nothing in this movie I liked, so why would I go back to see it again? I have felt this way towards certain movies like Rocky 5 and Batman Returns where I almost walked out on them in 1990 and 1992. THAT'S the way I feel towards TLJ, as the movie did nothing for me. Again, I am not begrudging or talking down to you because you liked it, in fact I'm envious that you liked TLJ. I liked TFA so I was expecting TLJ to atleast be as good, if not better. Trust me, I am as bummed as everyone that I hated this movie, but this is a different feeling then any SW movie before it.

 

Moreover, the most appropriate way how to express my opinion about this movie that Disney care about is via my wallet. They don't really care about anything else much. And while my "voice" means practically nothing against the millions of contradictory ones, it's still all I can do. But there's still some hope for the future so I'm not saying never ever...

 

I find it bizarre that you’re willing to talk about how bad the film is over and over whilst saying you wouldn’t want to waste another 2 1/2 hrs of your life. I think you’re scared of actually liking it. So instead you make petty points about supposed plot holes or box office takings.

Might it just not be the case that it wasn’t the film you expected and you weren’t prepared? I’d always give a Star Wars film a second chance. I gave TFA 3. I’ve already seen 2 or 3 folks here say they liked it on their second viewing. If I were in your shoes, I’d father take a chance at enjoying the film rather than spending my time moaning about it.

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If you liked TFA I don’t get how you can hate this movie. To me that smacks of an over reaction based on certain expectations you had. We’re not talking about batman and robin here. The critics have raves about this film. It has the same characters from TFA, giving better performances. I get how the humour could’ve been a shock to some and that things didn’t go the way they thought but to dismiss it entirely now is fine foolish if you ask me. I’d give it a second look, so you know the things you disliked are coming, enabling to not lose your focus on the incredible moments - of which there are many.

 

I will have to take your word for it on Rey's Survival Guide. Based on the examples from it you gave I did not hear a contradiction. At least not one that can't be interpreted in light of her defense mechanism that survived until Kylo forced her to admit the truth.

If I referred to Jakku as a slave economy that was the exact opposite of my intention. At least as far formal ownership and a reconiz3d system. My was that Rey was a scavenger forced to deal with Unkar for food.

 

I won't see episode 9 in theaters. But because I loved Rogue One, I will check out the side stories depending on how good they look.

 

1. My issue is with how much money I wasted buying literally every book and comic from 2015 (a lot of it) only to find that canon contradicted it. I have better things to do than make up things mentioned in a book just for the fun of it.

2. While I know other canon material is meant to only bolster the movies, I would expect continuity to be maintained and not to have to make up interpretations to reconcile the two.....assuming an interpretation like Rey having defense mechanisms nullifies the contents of the books when I bought the books precisely to learn actual details (again, I could have saved money and waited just to watch the movie rather than later finding out that Rey's 'defense mechanisms' rendered her views in the books useless.)

3. According to the books, Rey only dealt with Unkar when she got older and worked for others prior to that... she also indicated she was not a slave (she says so herself and talks about being proud of it).

In TLJ she was sold to someone by her parents. That makes her an actual slave just like Anakin and Shmi, not a free person forced to sell good cheap to survive....there is a big difference between the two.

Just to reiterate, I never said I would stop watching the movies...I just feel buying other material is a waste of time and it makes sense to only watch the film instead.