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Intriguing new character named Aya

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Nov 19, 2017.

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    After watching the latest episode of Rebels, here is my new headcanon-

    While meditating on Tatooine, Obi-wan Kenboi is guided by the force into the zone with portals to different times and places.

    He is directed to travel to a village where a battle is taking place (maybe Lewel) to save a little girl who would be one day become a powerful jedi. He pulls her through one of the portals and leaves her on Jakku (a known light side nexus location), pays Unkar to take her to the Church of the Force village and departs with the words- Rey, these are your first steps. Rey is young and traumatized by the sight of war and death, so she barely remembers what happened.

    Greedy Unkar pockets the money he was given, convinces Rey her parents were drunks who sold her and puts her to work for him instead.
     
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    I heard of it...Interesting development in canon, they are introducing time travel into Star Wars.

    Just for note:

    In the story of Lew'el Luke is talking with Elder grandmother of Aya, who refused to teach him at first, about relationship of planet Lew'el and the rest of the galaxy, implying planet is moving, everything moves.

    Luke, in his moment of underestimating Lew'el knowledge, says to Elder grandmother that she looks in the stars, jet, those stars aren't anymore in this place, implying the speed of light travel and relativity of time and space and that information that cames by ligh shows the past ,not present situation and is thus unreliable.

    Than Elder grandmother said perhaps most magnificant insight ever said in Star Wars...she said to Luke that she is not ignorant of the galaxy.

    She says yes, the stars are moving in relativity, jet the information that is coming form Tide(The Force) is not bound by time, and space, that information comes instanteniously.

    It is most magnificant point of view on a fact we already know from the time when Yoda said to Luke " trough the Force you will see past, present, future, friends long gone".

    The Force is spaceless, timeless.
     
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    Not sure what to say about introducing time travel into Star Wars. What is next? Alternative reality? :rolleyes:
     
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    I am not usally watching cartoon programs but this episode is obviously very important addition to the canon.

    Thankfully, it seems its still under the control.

    There are pocket dimension within the Force ,various Force Nexus – places where there’s an abnormal concentration of Force energy – can result in a time shift effect.
    It seems Dagobah and Mortis were as such.

    I believe it is possibile Lew'el is also. We know that people of Lew'el are descedans of those who knew how to feel the Tide and traveled to Lew'el to keep their knowledge out of the hands of those who would use it.
     
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    For the late night talking...the Clan Leder's death.

    In the novel, while on Lew'el,. Luke is observing the villagers.

    They use a thick robes made from knittied coconut tree fibers.
    They use also those large coconuts for many purposes, including as bawls for food and drink.

    Also, during the trial, Luke is using on half of the nut shell to make a face-shield to cover his face from powerful splash during the time wind trusters are diving from the sky to the sea to feed themselves.

    Now, about this "warrior" that Kylo Ren killed in Rey's flashback in ep VII:

    Please note, he is not actually some warrior, look at his weapon, it is some Club made from natural material, could be a bone or a peace of wood.
    Please note also he is wearing a knitted thick gown, just like Lew'elians.
    And last but not least..HELMET...it could be actually a half of the large coconut from Lewe'l that Lew'elians use for many purposes as described.

    Once more please note:

    -Primitive weapon.
    -Thick rough fabric
    -Helmet made of large coconut.(half of a Lew'elian coconut ).

    Follow the margins of helmet to the left see how rough this "helmet" is actually.


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    I would not be surprised if the killed man we see, the tribe leader, is Tonn-Glon, brother of Aya-Glon.
     
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    Well, there is nothing to lose in going down this path again....right?......sanity?

    Anyways, I'm sure you've mentioned it somewhere pages before, but R2 is always with a Skywalker and as expected, was with Luke during his visit to Lew'el. R2 popped back to life when Rey shows up at the end of TFA, went with her to Luke (although a story change), and is with her now on the Falcon after TLJ. He has always been a servant to the family, even in Legends. The immortal family pet.

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    R2 has seen Aya on Lew'ell, and has withnessed Lukes adventures,and the tragedy in Jedi camp.He followed Luke on his adventures.

    R2, after withnessing tragedy , has fell in hybernation.

    And his wake-up in the ep VII just in the moment Rey arrived in base was not coincidence.

    ....in this book, magnificant game changing book, which in my opinion to few people aknowledge as criticaly important(Legends of Luke Skywalker)...there is another story, about Luke saving captured R2 in the acid mines on a distant planet...in which there is spectacular and to my knowledge never before described interaction of the Force and minds of a droid, of Force and droid circuits.
    Droids, at least most advanced have kind of soul that is reachable by the Force.

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    * ilustration of the story of Luke saving R2 from acid mines., Legends of Luke Skywalker.
     
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    "I want to see the galaxy. Not today, not this year, but I will make it happen.
    There is war and strife, and good and evil out there,
    but I can always choose the right side,
    to uplift those I trust and restore the balance.
    You taught me that."
    ―Aya-Glon to Luke Skywalker


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    I am placing this post for reference if anyone ever stumb across it, and its an epilogue for this thread.The debate and following will go now elsewhere.However I am posting this for my respect to people who participated in this thread.
    Original post that I have started resulted in debate inside, and notably outside this Cantina. After many months I am free to post the final advancements and results about Legends of Luke Skywalker story , and of Aya story interpretation.The story very likely holds elaborate secret plot by the Story group.

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    Flux, a girl from Wayward-Current ship that is telling the story is not Aya.

    However, that young woman is definitely from Lew'el, came from Lew'el.
    She heard story of Aya and Luke.

    In Flux story, as people from SW Shadow Council have found, Aya didn't mentioned Luke's wounded hand in her telling, since this detail about Luke for Aya( and her heart) was unimportant .However Luke has visited Lew'el as young, certainly within just few years after the battle of Endor(ep VI). So Flux is re-telling the story originally told by Aya.

    The timeline of Flux travel to Canto-Bight as a stowaway, has been reconstructed. Flux is telling her story just few years to one decade before episode VII, by the time Aya should be at least 40 years old.First Order is already well known.

    Most important revelation as a result of this find, :

    Flux is refugee from Lew'el! Her refuge, hiding as a stowaway, happens just few years before episode VII, since First Order is already widely known!

    Flux is escaping from there.In a ship that goes to Canto-Bight which is the secret center of the First Order financing.

    Luke is symbol of freedom for Lew'elans too, from Aya's story.When Flux hears about Lukes X-wing her eyes became bright.

    Flux is a Lew'elan fugitive, hiding as a stowaway in a ship that flies from the First Order held regions of unknown galaxy to Canto-Bight , and obviously Flux is hinding her origins as well as her natural Force sensitivity .

    The planet Lew'el has been almost unknown before, when Luke has found him as peaceful place. But now, in the era of the First Order Lew'el is the top secret! One of many worlds that First Order has conquered in the Unknown regions.

    Lew' el, an ocean planet, has been enslaved by the First Order , and the planet it secret now more than ever!
     
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    Aya ,come and save Star Wars.

    Repeat this prayer with me please.
     
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    Aya ,come and save Star Wars.
     
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    Also, in the Last Jedi when Rey is talking to Luke about going to Kylo she says, "This could turn the tide." I don't think Luke is her dad, but I do think Aya is her mother. Rey also has the jedi texts, which, I'm sure, also includes a journal of some sort of Luke's. He was traveling and attempting to gain this knowledge to pass it on, so he would obviously record it. He left his "star compass" on Ach-To. Rey is going to read the journal, have a "feeling" this woman is her mother. Go to Ach-To, get the star compass to find island. Go there. Learn how to defeat Kylo (or turn him). Then end.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 24, 2018, Original Post Date: Jun 24, 2018 ---

    What if it's like Last Airbender,. She figures out a way to cut him off from the force.
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    Ohhhh and Kylo says, "Have you come to save my soul?"
     
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    I first saw this theory here-

    https://swshadowcouncil.com/the-tlj-case-for-rey-skywalker/

    Not even sure how I stumbled on that.


    Anyway, I liked it so much it actually prompted me to watch TLJ for the first time since the theater. I'll say this- Rey being Luke's thought dead daughter (or somehow important to him) really makes TLJ more enjoyable.


    This theory, or something similar, sure helps explain Luke's behavior in TLJ. It makes sense that he is rude to Rey because a) he won't let himself believe she is his daughter, since he thinks that's impossible and/or b) he is trying to protect her by completely rejecting her.

    Also, if Luke had learned (either through sensing, visions, or straight up searching his room lol) that Ben had already turned, and had done some terrible things already, including wiping out a village where his wife (or old friend) and daughter (or old friend's daughter) had been killed...that makes him igniting his saber far more believable. Not only does he sense the growing evil in Ben, sees visions of his future deeds, but realized he was already too far gone...AND had wiped out everything he loved? He ignites the saber, compassion takes over, thinks of Leia, and ultimately spares him....that is the Luke we know.

    It also explains why some students joined Ben at this point...he had already been staging a revolt, so to speak. It wouldn't make sense if Ben came out of his hut, said "Hey unlce Luke just tried to kill me, you with me or him??" and then the students essentially split in half and pick sides? Makes no sense.

    But if some were already working with Ben, including wiping out a village even years ago, it makes sense that once the hut blew up...they help him wipe out the others.



    At this point, I am very jaded and I don't think they put this much thought into the ST. I think Disney essentially rushed the creative team, so I doubt there is a well thought out story to explain these things

    BUT

    I hope this, or something similar, turns out true. Because it helps explain so many issues (Luke's behavior, Han's reaction to Rey, Leia's reaction to Rey, Rey and Kylo's connection, why some of Luke's students would just up an join Kylo, Rey's similarity to Luke and Annakin, on and on).

    Most importantly for me, it explains Luke more. Him just giving up because his nephew turned and his students died just doesn't seem like enough. Him losing his wife, daughter AND then losing his students, realizing Kylo is already gone, etc...it makes more sense. Give it more weight.

    And if you watch TLJ thinking Luke is trying to save Rey by pushing her away...it helps that movie a lot. It makes Rey and Luke's part of TLJ a lot better.


    Unfortunately, it doesn't explain why Poe doesn't call someone for help rather than Maz. Or why Maz didn't send help when she was able. Nor does it explain why Poe would send Finn and a mechanic on the most important mission in the history of the galaxy at that point. Or why they wouldn't just go somewhere for help, rather than the casino planet. Or why Finn and Rose would suddenly give up on finding the code breaker, just because some dude with an odd stutter said he could do it. Or why Holdo wouldn't just tell everyone the plan. Or why Holdo is dressed for prom. Or why Poe doesn't know Holdo, even though the Resistance is small. Or why the FO just doesn't light speed in front of the resistance and get it over with. Or why the Resistance just doesn't split up and make the FO pick a ship to track. Or....yeah "plot B" in that movie is awful. Just terrible.

    But at least this theory would help explain Luke.
     
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    The Legends of Luke Skywalker is one of my favorite Star Wars books in recent years. I can't recall, forgive me, but I believe it was the Star Wars show that clearly stated that the filmmakers supersede the books. Therefore whatever happens in the films the story group will course correct, therefore the books aren't really canon, they're somewhat canon which make them IMO not canon. but enjoyable medium while we wait for the next installment.

    I love to speculate as much as the next person but with this trilogy anything can happen. RJ took TLJ on a different route, for example Rey is nobody, Snoke the emperor of this trilogy is killed abruptly, I believe JJ will do the same, episode 9 will most likely abandon some of what occurred in TLJ. I waited 2 years for the answers to Rey's parentage and she is simply nobody...

    Will JJ change this? Will he continue to make this issue vague? Or will he in fact keep Rey a nobody? will episode 9 be slit in 2 and continued in episode 10? because JJ isn't a finisher but a mystery box maker ;)... hehe, I'd be completely surprised if Aya which I thought was an intriguing character mentioned at all in the sequel trilogy.
     
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    As someone proudly labeled a hater, this would help. I don't think it would even matter if it was planned this way all along (or something similar) or if this was used as a retcon/course correct to get the fandom more united. My two biggest gripes are Rey and Luke from TLJ, this would largely fix those. This is SW, we're kind of used to the writers changing or fixing things after the fact. However I think you might get more resistance from the "lovers" since a good portion of those don't seem to need or want an explanation. That's at least been my impression in my many conversations.

    At the very least this shows there are options for JJ that if he wanted to make changes, it's indeed possible for him to course correct. It will be interesting to see how IX turns out. I'm looking forward to the spoilers.

    Edit: This is assuming it's done well. If this is bungled, it could divide the lovers while still keeping the haters away, which could be disastrous. It would almost certainly be a big challenge for the fandom as a whole. An idea like this is very drastic, but changing the outlook on Luke and Rey are two major gripes the haters have. That said, the lovers have hung their loyalty on defending those ideas from TLJ, so they could feel betrayed. It's risky, but done right, it could work. It will be interesting to see the trailers leading up to IX for hints of anything like this.
     
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    I'll forever second this comment, to the fullest!

    Also...

    Aya, come and save Star Wars!


    "Ride the Tide"

    -SOAS
     
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    I think I will order it right now on amazon.
     
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    You won't be disappointed!

    I really recommend listening to the audio book as well! Hearing all the different character voices mixed in with all the various sound FX is a truly awesome experience! I actually put my 6+ hour audio file into a DAW and chopped it up into individual story files, just so I could have six short-stories to listen to whenever I felt like hearing a specific legend! My favorite being 'Fishing in the Deluge', which I listen to often!

    #ENJOY

    "Ride the Tide"

    -SOAS
     
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    Unfortunately I had to buy the book in english (didnt find a portuguese or spanish version here in Europe) so...my reading will take a while because I have to read with the translator by my side...hahaha
    So the option with the audio book I guess I will leave for later when I finish the book....hahahah
    Thanks!
     
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    And then:
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    The thing is, this is a POV thing, related to Kylo. Like Mustafar reflecting Vader's mind during the ROTS duel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
    The tide is a consequence of gravity. The Tide is not the Force, in other words, and that misundestanding could lead to evil. The force is gravity, and also twins - and also the dyad:
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    Maybe Luke's temple was destroyed by 'tidal thinking', and this Aya/Flux or Aya and/or Flux had to do with it. I mean, that's prequel (=backstory) materilal, and the tide concept and its relationship with evil can be traced back to the Plagueis novel, and to Sifo-Dyas and Dooku.
    'They are entrenched in archaic thinking, and slow to embrace change'. 'I am Change', says this Flux character - and her very name is related to fluidity. And, 'embrace'. Well...
    Was Luke mindbridged once, 'seduced' so to speak, and then made to look inside Ben's head? There's a woman screaming there, and then Luke draws back his hand and ignites his lightsaber. This was deleted,
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    If Luke was Kurtz (and he was Kurtz for two seconds, in the hut), who was Willard? In Apocalypse now, he's a fan of Kurtz, and that's more or less what these Aya/Flux characters are. Kurtz complex (his 'temple') was destroyed by an air strike in the original script, not so different from
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    And then the Republic was destroyed in TFA. More or less, what Dooku would have wanted. Stem the tide by making sure it reaches its highest point. Then the ebb tide will follow automatically.
    There's a certain ambiguity in San Tekka's 'this will begin to make things right', although he would have known about it. Where -who- did that map come from?
     
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