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Is Abrams reworking his Star Trek scripts for TFA?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by garbonzonia, Jul 30, 2015.

  1. garbonzonia

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    A lot of this may have been raised, but from reading spoilers this past year or so it really seems to me like Abrams is reusing a lot of his plot from his trek films.

    Starkiller Weapon - A lot of the complaints of this seem to focus on it being a rehash of the Death Star. It is to an extent. And is basically a carbon copy of the planet destorying weapon Nero used in Trek 2009.

    Kanata and the flashback - Flashbacks haven't been used before and I know people don't like that. This rumored scene feels like a rehash of Old Spock in the ice cave when he fills in Kirk by mind melding him or whatever.

    Cameo Luke - This is how Abrams used Old Spock in 2009 trek. He gave him the above flashback scene and then a scene at the end. (think maybe one other as well).

    The Catapult - Leia using a super weapon feels out of character, yes. But is also what Abrams did with the Starfleet being corrupted in INTO DARKNESS and using the all powerful ship to fight "terrorism".

    Nero - We don't know a lot about Kylo Ren's motivation yet, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they're similar to Nero's in Trek 2009 and his quest against Spock.

    I don't really want to wade into the good or bad debate about the rumored plot points, just wanted to bring them up as a lot of the more controversial ones really do seem to echo past JJ decisions/likes.
     
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    JJ didn't write the Star Trek films, although I do agree his signature is all over both films.

    Simon Pegg didn't speak as passionately about either Star Trek film as he is about this film and he's just playing a bit part in this one.

    We'll be okay, it's going to be good. You have the @Snazel guarantee. :)
     
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    Yeah, it was his writers though and he was heavy in the development of them as producer/director. Sorry to imply he wrote them.

    And I'm not worried per se, was just bringing the points up as I found the similarities interesting.
     
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    There has been no information aboutt any weapon called a "Starkiller" from my understanding everyone is inferring its existence becasue fo the "STarkiller base"

    which is a darn name they mined from early star wars crap.

    Saying tehy have a Star Killing superweapon almost feels as dumb as saying "star destroyers destroy stars"
     
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    Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelizations for both of Abrams directed Star Trek movies.

    Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelization for Abrams directed The Force Awakens.
     
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    My bad. I thought it was being referred to as a starkiller in the rumors. I knew the base was called that as well. There IS a planet destroying weapon though if you believe the majority of rumors.
     
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    Regarding the confirmed information, you are technically right. However, there have been rumors about a super weapon that can destroy stars. These rumors precede SDCC, where Gleeson mentioned the name of the base. Of course, it is possible that the person who started the rumors about the super weapon had only heard the name of the base and inferred incorrectly that it referred to a super weapon.
     
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    Wasn't nero's weapon the "Red Matter"? the machine used was a drilling machine which had been previously used for resource extraction. I thought they were drilling into the planet core to then use the red matter. Starkiller weapon seems to me to be some kind of precision based weapon with variable levels of intensity.



    The "powerful ship" from Into darkness was the first ship of a secret weapons program in preparation for all out war against the Klingon empire. By most accounts, the resistance superweapon is more of a battering ram that has a limited lifespan that helps even out overwhelming military imbalances in a battle. As far as i can tell it literally rams into star destoryers and doesn't do much else. I don't see a real comparison here

    The "go-to" theory at the moment is that kylo is the son of han and leia and he wants to find luke. Didn't Nero's vengance against spock only arise because he held him personally responsible for the death of this family and the planet/star explosion? In TFA it is rumoured that kylo actually murders his father.
     
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    Another way to intrepet tihs is fake leakers just assuming it will be like his previous films.
     
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    What if Luke is already dead by the beginning of the film and appears as a force ghost?
     
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    To reiterate @Snazel : JJ did not write either Star Trek film. The people who did may have worked with him in the past, but that doesn't mean he was involved in creating the stories. From my understanding, the first Trek was already written when they selected JJ as a director, and the second one was written largely without him. If anything, we may see some of the same visual techniques used in TFA as were used in his Trek films, but I feel like any connections between the plots of either franchise are pretty contrived, just fans reaching a little too far.

    Unless this new weapon is a type of artificially-devised matter than creates singularities out of any other matter it comes into contact with, I highly doubt there will be any similarities other than "a planet is destroyed."

    Unless TFA involves Luke trying to save Kylo's home planet, only to have it backfire and Kylo is transmitted to another dimension/timeline because of it all, I think we're safe.
     
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    Well, according to MSW's rumors, the superweapon apparently is not a planet-destroying weapon. If those rumors are true, the superweapon can destroy a ship and a castle located in another solar system, possibly far away from the solar system where the Starkiller Base is located. So it seems like the superweapon can deliver its destructive power/energy through hyperspace, and it has a very good remote sensing/targeting capability. These characteristics are different from those of the Death Star in the OT.
     
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    All good points, guys. But even if the stuff doesn't line up exact he still seems to be using ideas that have a similar outcome in some cases. No big deal, but found it interesting.

    And again, even though Abrams didn't write it...those are his writers and he was producer and director. They use his notes to craft and even if one was written prior to him he still comes on and gives notes. Same w part two. He wasn't around in the beginning as he was finishing Super 8 but you can be sure writers were working from his ideas and development sessions.

    Anyway, didn't make this thread to sound negative about TFA. I'm not. Just found stuff I thought was similar and wanted to bring up.
     
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    Fans are just using "Starkiller" as a new code word for "catapult". It was made clear at the convention they meant "base".

    No, this isn't Star Trek I rebooted with a sprinkling of Khan as Snoke.

    It is, alas, unfortunately very like to be a story involving three super weapons, all of which apparently designed solely to cancel each other out.
     
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    This Starkiller thing has quickly become one of the most misinterpreted pieces of info about TFA.

    It's a base not a weapon. The name Starkiller is just an homage to George Lucas's original name for Skywalker.

    MSW insinuates the first orders super weapon has a connection to Starkiller base, but no one knows what it is, what it does yet, or where exactly it is yet. Not even MSW knows as is clearly evidenced by their latest post (even though they act like they do).

    ...ok rant over.

    As far as the topic I really don't see any of the similarities you brought up at all for reasons others have already said. Sounds like more of a conspiracy theory against JJ that someone didn't think all the way through.
     
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    Conspiracy theory? Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Besides I have nothing against Abrams and as I stated above I didn't mean the post as a negative. It isn't.
     
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    Why is no one paying attention to this? I think it's actually an interesting idea and one we've yet to hear of. A bit disappointing yes, but at least it's new.
     
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    To play devil's advocate, all the points raised by the OP could be reinterpreted as 'Is Abrams reworking A New Hope's scipt for the Star Trek films'. All of the points mentioned can also draw the same parallel with the OT too!
     
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