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Is anyone else getting nervous Disney doesn't "get it?"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Stillwatch, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Stillwatch

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    So I'm mostly caught up on this show and I'm slowly having a sad realization. Disney, at least in the animation department, doesn't understand star wars.

    Ezra is far too overpowered for a "padawan" or whatever he is. His powers are fast becoming like the lead character from the Force Unleashed. His lightsaber "gun" is completely missing the point of a lightsaber. A "more civilized weapon for a more civilized time" and all that. I'm sure they will say "we'll this is the dark times and he's a different kind of Jedi" but it's becoming more apparent at this point this is about toy sales.

    Then you could talk about the focus group crafted characters, the awful use of the storm troopers and empire (they have been completely emasculated and are non-threatening), and frankly I don't like the execution of the Sith Inquisitors. More non-sith sith that for some reason that won't be fully explained are still loyal to Vader and Emperor? I don't know. It's just..... not looking goos5

    I suppose I'm being naive but I'm starting to get the feeling Disney will be taking Star Wars down a road (for largely commercial reasons) I don't know if I'm willing to follow.

    I am also slowly starting to have doubts about episode 7....err.. The Force Awakens, but I'll save that pessimism for another day.
     
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    The fact is that Ezra is only as good as his master who really wasn't taught everything he needed to know before having to escape as a youngling. Kanan abandoned the Jedi way long ago and recently picked it back up and now teaches this boy everything he knows. Ezra is not being taught by Yoda, Obi-Wan or even Anakin. He's being taught by Kanan who I'm not sure really knows what he's doing most of the time. That's what I think it is portraying. These are not your average "jedi" because they have had to learn on the fly.

    As for the lightsaber, Ezra doesn't know about how it's supposed to be a civilized weapon. He knows that Inquisitors and Stormtroopers are trying to kill him and he found out a way to make 2 weapons in one. Luke carries a blaster in ESB and a lightsaber which is exactly the opposite of what every jedi in the old jedi order did.

    I can agree with you on the Stormtroopers but really we have to remember that this is a show for children. I think it's important to remember that. The people who write and animate this show have nothing to do with TFA.
     
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    My worst fear was that they may just go for the almighty dollar with the ST, HOWEVER, those that are involved are old enough to have been lucky enough to see the OT in theaters and appreciated what it meant as a breakthrough cultural phenomenon that has never died. I was quietly worried when George signed it over to the mouse, but I think we'll be fine. Of course there will be those that whine about it (as with anything else), but for the diehard fans....again, we'll be fine. :)
     
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    The events are canon. Let it be what it is.

    They actually (for all intents and purposes) showed two guys being decapitated...and a vision of Ezra being run through by the Inquisitor. I was surprised by both because this show is for a younger age group than TCW.

    I wouldn't worry. This is all about marketing to the audience it's intended for.

    I think what we've seen from TFA so far implies a level of darkness at least on par with ESB and ROTS.

    Why? Because Disney knows their audience. Look at the Marvel movies. There's a surprising amount of "gore" and "adult content" in those films.

    Stop worrying, and keep it in context.
     
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    I'm not worried.It's a good show,and,as it has previously been stated,Disney knows their audience.And the most recent episode has shown that it can get get dark on Rebels.
     
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    I'm with you PoeReyMi. The same thing could be said about Luke as he clearly was an unconventional Jedi since he too had to learn differently than the guys of the Jedi Order. Luke used his blaster on Bespin, Force choked the Gamorreans and didn't think twice about trying to use a blaster on Jabba and then threatning him with death during the Sarlacc battle and I'm pretty sure that Luke was planning on doing it himself and not that he had a vision in the Force about Leia killing the fat slug.
     
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    1-I don't think Ezra is supposed to be that powerful. I chalk it up to artistic license. If you compare the force unleased or jedi knight games to the books, they make it clear that the stupidly overpowered nature of the games was just for fun. Think about the impossible twirls and jumps that Sabine pulls off. To me, what happens is canon, but exactly how it happens, isn't. We allow facial structure to be exaggerated, why not the action too?

    2-I don't think it does. He has to hide his lightsaber. No one would recognize what he built as a lightsaber.

    3- Inquisitors have a long history in the EU. What do you think happens to all the children of the force? Do you think they are all just rounded up and killed? I like the idea of a group of low level enforces with minimal force powers.
     
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    I'm only viewing the main saga films as canon for now. The spinoffs may turn out as bad as the prequels.
     
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    1. not any more overpowered than luke was after a couple of weeks training with yoda, hell he has had more training than luke and is weaker than him in almost every way.... he cannot properly deflect a blaster bolt, can barely lift stuff, and almost got his head chopped off with a lightsaber (wtf are you even talking about here)

    2. that was his choice to make a lightsaber gun, this is not a civilized time, this is the dark times, this is the time ofthe empire. This is atimewhen all jedi are hunted and killed... he needs every advantage he can get, and he needs the ability to carry his lightsaber openly without people noticing... disguising it as a gun is a clever idea.

    3. The only one that really fits this desctipion of focus group crafted is Sabine I think...

    4. what... what star wars have you been watching, the empire has always been like this.

    5. Do you have any cirticisms of the inquisitors other than "they are there and I am mad at them"

    6. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH XD what star wars have you been watching.


    Look you are not the only one with doubts about the way disney is handling Star Wars, but what you say here is completely off center man. You should be more worried about the fact that its merchandise and books being released are targeted at a slightly younger audience than what star wars actually has in its base form.
     
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    Filoni? I think he gets star wars more than Lucas did. I got the impression that most of the great stuff in Clone wars was due to Filoni and most of the crap came from George. Filoni cared enough about the EU, that he was the sole reason it didn't get completely trampled by the Clone wars.

    Although, I admit I could be biased.
     

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    How about that trailer haters
     
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    I am not worried at all ad I think DISNEY is doing a wonderful job with the franchise thus far. I am really excited about the next decade...
     
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    This is what we do to them.
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    Same. To me, Star Wars canon is the OT, and the Expanded Universe novels written before the PT came out. But, I have to say, I'm really enjoying the Marvel comics, and Lost Stars by Claudia Gray is the only new book I find worth reading. :)

    Aside from that, though, if people enjoy the new content—that's fine. I grew up enjoying the old content, and now it's time for a new generation to love and appreciate Star Wars in their own way. I'm not saying that I'm not frustrated about the business aspect of Star Wars taking precedence over the creativeness-for-creativeness'-sake aspect of it; I understand it, but I do wish that money wasn't the #1 motivator... though I have hope for the new films, and from what I've seen and heard about them so far, I'm quite confident they will be worthy successors to the OT. I don't really like Rebels very much, but that's because it's a children's show, and I'm not a child. It's not overly complex or serious and it can be wacky and over-the-top because it's trying to appeal to kids. In that respect, at least it does a much better job than the PT—there's no long, boring tirades about political matters, and the comedy isn't goofy and weird...

    The Kanan comic, on the other hand, is much more serious and adult-themed (with only a few comedic elements imported from the show to keep things consistent), and compliments the OT much better, and I'm actually enjoying it.
     
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    Yeah, stoopid Disney. I mean, fancy wanting some return on their 4 billion dollars!?! It's disgusting that they're making toys for kids to play with. And don't get me started on the fact that they're making brand new Star Wars films and bringing back the actors we love. What are they thinking!?!

    Disney haters bug the blast out of me. The buzz around Star Wars at the moment is amazing. This is one of the most exciting times to be a Star Wars fan and it's largely down to Disney's investment.
     
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    See, that's the thing, Disney does "get it." A lot of Star Wars fans don't "get it." We still have the EU. We still have the OT. We have the right to interpret Star Wars any way we wish, and it's pretty greedy of us to expect that all Star Wars additions should conform to the OT. Many things will (and have) conformed to the OT. The comics, thus far, are proving themselves to be perfectly worthy of sitting on a shelf next to the OT, and we've got decades of new books to go. There will be something for everyone, eventually. But Disney's mission right now is bringing Star Wars to a completely new generation of people, so it should make sense why the majority of new Star Wars content is marketed at young people, and is conforming to today's cultural standards for media and not the cultural standards of the 1970's/80's.

    The older fans will get theirs in time.

    For now, I'm just happy my younger brother and some of my young cousins get to experience Star Wars.
     
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    I adore Rebels, it makes me feel like a kid again watching saturday morning cartoons but Star Wars themed. I don't need all of my Star Wars stories to take themselves ultra seriously (hell, even ESB didn't take itself too seriously, just look at all of Kershner's humor in it) I actually really hate art that takes itself too seriously, and beyond that I hate artists who take themselves too seriously. I'm a musician, and from experience I can tell you that the absolute worst people to play/write music with are self-important musicians who take their music too seriously, and the same goes for most artists including filmmakers. I want Star Wars (and the art I make) to be fun, colorful, and well-balanced with the darker stuff (rebels has PLENTY of dark stuff in it).

    I also can't stand it when people glorify the Empire way too much. Stormtroopers, from day one, have always been complete imbeciles. It's the reason why Obi-wan was able to use his jedi mind trick on that weak minded Imp fool, the reason why that trooper hit his head walking through that doorway, and their aim can be attributed to the fact that they just can't see anything in those helmets. They aren't the clones, who are total badasses and perfect soldiers with great aim and comradery. No, stormtroopers are starry-eyed, talentless teenagers with no future, who volunteered to join up with a fascist regime because they have nothing better to do with their lives (sound familiar?). They have practically zero combat experience (the empire has a death star after all, so no need for combat) and no heroes to look up to. It's the Rebels who should be glorified; they fought with conviction and from their hearts, stomping on an empire that was strangling the galaxy and a hundred times bigger than them.
     
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    I don't care because Jar Jar's got it.
     
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    +1 for Filoni. He TOTALLY gets it. Sure the animation can be juvenile, but... IT'S A KIDS SHOW ON DISNEY! The story is absolutely there and I love watching it with my oldest daughter. I'm really glad there is good Star Wars content (sans Jar Jar) my daughter can get into. My kids are too young right now to fully apprectiate the films so being able to share my passion of Star Wars with them through media we can all enjoy is key. Rebels is definitely a way to do that. --The Lego Star Wars shows are also extremely entertaining and great for young kids. I find those to be hilarious!

    Anyway, I'm very optimistic about Star Wars under the Disney umbrella. Bring it on!
     
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    Maybe I'm one of the few people who remembers "Droids," "Ewoks," "The Ewok Adventure," et al. There has always been a place for slightly-exaggerated children's versions of the SW Universe and I thought they were mostly great. I think "Rebels" is mostly great, too, and I don't think Ezra is being shown to be especially overpowered. He runs away a lot.
     
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