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Is Ben Redeemable?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by The Last Deadeye, Dec 15, 2017.

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Will Ben be redeemed?

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  2. No

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  3. It's not that clear cut

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  4. ...clouded, the future is

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  1. The Last Deadeye

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    So I'm just wondering if you guys think that Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is redeemable. Luke seems to think so at the end of the movie, and he was the only one who thought Vader was. But then again, everyone else, even Rey and Leia, think he isn't. So is it possible? If so, how? If not, why not?
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 15, 2017 ---
    So here is what I think is going to happen. I think Ben will be redeemed. I know it's a longer shot than we may have thought before TLJ. But here's what I think happens. Kylo Ren thinks that there is nothing left to hold him back. Snoke, Luke, Han, Leia (by this point), they are all gone. He is convincing himself to hate Rey, and might try to sway her again, but probably not. It seems like there is no hope. But there is one part of the past he hasn't killed off... his desire to be like his grandfather, the great Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. Anakin appears to him as a force ghost and tells him the true story, not the lie Snoke has been deluding him with. He then tells Kylo that he has to change and has to turn, don't wait until it's too late like I did. Confronted with his childhood hero, Ben Solo appears, completely caught off guard. Then Luke appears, and tells him he has always believed he could redeem himself, and tells him how sorry he is for failing him (and the truth about his intentions to kill/not kill in the temple). And then...Han appears... and tells him he sacrificed himself because he knew that the shame might cause his son to change. All of this at the same time overwhelms Kylo Ren, and Ben Solo is awakened. He goes to Rey, repentant, and asks her to help him fix the mess he has created, and atone for his mistakes. She sees his genuine change and accepts him back. And then Ben, Rey, and the resistance work to bring down the First Order.
     
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    Rey never stated Ren isn't redeemable. But to answer your question: Yes, I think he's still redeemable. Luke will haunt and troll him. Maybe Anakin will visit him too. But the real key is Rey.

    Han should never ever appear btw. That would be silly.
     
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    He's already haunting him, remember what Luke said?
     
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    I know. That's why I was mentioning it. Luke should channel his inner Joker now and drive Kylo crazy. Haha!
     
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    whoa whoa whoa, there has to be some mind left so that he and Rey can peacefully make babies on Naboo at the end of the series ;).
     
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    I guess you could say that in a big way, he already has!
     
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    ...from a certain point of view, eh? :p
     
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    "I won't stop annyoing you until you go home and make me some Skywalkers!" Haha!

    Yes, by quoting Han. This was powerful.
     
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    And then we find out that Kylo is infertile and that's why the Skywalker saga is at an end :p
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    And yes, really powerful moment. Made me go "whoa!" audibly in the theater.
     
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    Do I think he can be redeemed from the Dark Side? No. I think Kylo can still serve the betterment of the Galaxy, and still help to defeat the First Order without being "turned from the Dark Side." Kylo Ren is the Yin to Rey's Yang. I think ultimately Kylo will see, as Finn has, that the First Order is not in fact bringing order to the galaxy, but is instead leaving it in chaos. Thus, he will, in his own way, join with Rey to defeat the First Order.
     
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    Interesting... I don't think he necessarily has to drop the Dark Side to be redeemed. I think light=good and dark=evil is eroding in the ST.
     
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    Anakin thought a single wise ruler could run galaxy better than a bunch of politicians (useless senate). I think They missed opportunity to align Kylo with Anakin.
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    yep. Ghost Yoda used lightening!
     
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    Good point. I kept thinking "Kylo is becoming what Anakin wanted to become" throughout the movie. But Anakin surely doesn't retain those views now, right?
     
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    NO.

    Ben Solo is dead. Supreme Leader Kylo Ren is now the big baddie of the story and of the Galaxy. He will reorganize The 1st order into the 2nd Empire and call himself Emperor. He managed to finish what Vader started and will never ever be seduced or tempted by the light again. He's the Master of the Dark Side. Oh and obviously Reylo is dead too.
     
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    That's definitely a legitimate opinion.
     
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    As long as IX isn't all about Rey redeeming Kylo I don't really care what happens to him, tbh.

    I wouldn't be able to take it if, after all the build up, Rey is relegated as the woman that saves him- I am so sick and tired of women having to play that role over and over again- being a tool to further a mans story arc. I wouldn't be able to stomach it. I want her to defeat him and lead a new Order.
    If he's redeemed let it be someone else please.
     
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    I voted yes, but only cause i want to watch him gut a baby and eat it before rey does her woman job and saves him...with love
     
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    I think she wouldn't redeem him, I think he has to redeem himself (with some help from a force ghost or two), and then she MIGHT accept him.
     
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    He has to be redeemed.

    JJ and Kathy have said that IX will be the end of the Episodic films aka The Skywalker Saga. With Rey confirmed to not be part of the Chosen One family, Kylo/Ben is the only member of the Skywalker family remaining. It would be a shame to have a 9 movie story about a family conclude with it's sole remaining member dying as a master of evil. Talk about an unhappy ending for a 20+ hour family story.

    That's why I believe it to be essential that he is redeemed.
     
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    What would be cool to see from a Skywalker saga continuation is a redeemed Ben Solo living on and not dying in order to redeem himself like Anakin/Vader leaving an option for Ben to take up where Luke failed.

    Course so many will say why should there be any more Skywalker stuff but why not?

    Run Rian's trilogy and a new Skywalker based one after that.

    Adam Driver is well young enough to reprise his role in a decade or less.
     
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